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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Horia Geanta <horia.geanta@nxp.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Pascal Van Leeuwen <pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com>,
	"linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 23:58:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190720065807.GA711@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b042649c-db98-9710-b063-242bdf520252@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> 
> > From that perspective - to prevent people from doing cryptographically stupid things -
> > IMHO it would be better to just pull the CTS into the XTS implementation i.e. make
> > xts natively support blocks that are not a multiple of (but >=) the cipher blocksize ...
> 
> I would definitely prefer adding CTS directly to XTS (as it is in gcrypt or OpenSSL now)
> instead of some new compositions.
> 
> Also, I would like to avoid another "just because it is nicer" module dependence (XTS->XEX->ECB).
> Last time (when XTS was reimplemented using ECB) we have many reports with initramfs
> missing ECB module preventing boot from AES-XTS encrypted root after kernel upgrade...
> Just saying. (Despite the last time it was keyring what broke encrypted boot ;-)
> 

Can't the "missing modules in initramfs" issue be solved by using a
MODULE_SOFTDEP()?  Actually, why isn't that being used for xts -> ecb already?

(There was also a bug where CONFIG_CRYPTO_XTS didn't select CONFIG_CRYPTO_ECB,
but that was simply a bug, which was fixed.)

Or "xts" and "xex" could go in the same kernel module xts.ko, which would make
this a non-issue.

Anyway, I agree that the partial block support, if added, should just be made
available under the name "xts", as people would expect.  It doesn't need a new
name.

- Eric

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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>
Cc: Pascal Van Leeuwen <pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Horia Geanta <horia.geanta@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 23:58:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190720065807.GA711@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b042649c-db98-9710-b063-242bdf520252@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> 
> > From that perspective - to prevent people from doing cryptographically stupid things -
> > IMHO it would be better to just pull the CTS into the XTS implementation i.e. make
> > xts natively support blocks that are not a multiple of (but >=) the cipher blocksize ...
> 
> I would definitely prefer adding CTS directly to XTS (as it is in gcrypt or OpenSSL now)
> instead of some new compositions.
> 
> Also, I would like to avoid another "just because it is nicer" module dependence (XTS->XEX->ECB).
> Last time (when XTS was reimplemented using ECB) we have many reports with initramfs
> missing ECB module preventing boot from AES-XTS encrypted root after kernel upgrade...
> Just saying. (Despite the last time it was keyring what broke encrypted boot ;-)
> 

Can't the "missing modules in initramfs" issue be solved by using a
MODULE_SOFTDEP()?  Actually, why isn't that being used for xts -> ecb already?

(There was also a bug where CONFIG_CRYPTO_XTS didn't select CONFIG_CRYPTO_ECB,
but that was simply a bug, which was fixed.)

Or "xts" and "xex" could go in the same kernel module xts.ko, which would make
this a non-issue.

Anyway, I agree that the partial block support, if added, should just be made
available under the name "xts", as people would expect.  It doesn't need a new
name.

- Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-20  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-16 17:46 xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support Horia Geanta
2019-07-16 22:16 ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 17:09   ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-17 17:09     ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-17 17:28     ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 17:28       ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 18:08       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  6:52         ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  6:52           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:15           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:15             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:21             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:21               ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:28               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:28                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:50                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:50                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:40               ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18  7:40                 ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 10:40                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 11:19                   ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 11:19                     ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 15:27                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:27                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-20  6:58                     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2019-07-20  6:58                       ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2019-07-20  7:35                       ` Milan Broz
2019-07-20  7:35                         ` [dm-devel] " Milan Broz
2019-07-20 10:13                         ` Markus
2019-07-21  9:50                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-21  9:50                           ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22  9:44                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-22 16:43                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22 16:43                               ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22 22:46                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:23                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:50                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 16:10                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  6:22                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  6:22                                   ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  7:49                                   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  8:01                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  8:01                                       ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-26 10:31                                       ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-26 19:59                                         ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-26 19:59                                           ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-07-26 21:43                                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27  5:39                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-27  5:39                                               ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-27 12:56                                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27 16:04                                               ` Milan Broz
2019-07-27 16:04                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Milan Broz
2019-08-04  8:36                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-04  8:36                                                   ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                         ` <20f4832e-e3af-e3c2-d946-13bf8c367a60@nxp.com>
2019-08-07 15:51                                           ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-07 15:51                                             ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-07 20:57                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 14:50                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-08 14:50                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  8:35                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 13:43                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 18:01                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-08 18:01                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  2:48                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-09  2:48                                                   ` [dm-devel] " Herbert Xu
2019-08-09  6:45                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09  6:45                                                     ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09  7:44                                                     ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  7:44                                                       ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-09 17:49                                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09 17:49                                                         ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09 20:57                                                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-10  4:39                                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-10  4:39                                                             ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-11 11:12                                                             ` Milan Broz
2019-08-11 11:12                                                               ` [dm-devel] " Milan Broz
2019-08-11 20:34                                                               ` Eric Biggers
2019-08-11 20:34                                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2019-08-11 21:39                                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 21:29                                                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-12  4:51                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-12  4:51                                                                   ` [dm-devel] " Herbert Xu
2019-08-11 21:15                                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 22:24                                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-11 22:24                                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-12  1:04                                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:29                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:29                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:43                     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:51                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:51                         ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:19                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18 16:19                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18 16:22                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:22                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 17:03                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  5:34                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19  5:34                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19  7:29                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19 17:14                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19 17:14                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19 20:07                                   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  7:29                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 17:03                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 16:35                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  1:47                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-19  1:47                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:35                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:43                     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 10:40                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen

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