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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	aarcange@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	christian@brauner.io, davem@davemloft.net, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	elena.reshetova@intel.com, guro@fb.com, hch@infradead.org,
	james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	jglisse@redhat.com, keescook@chromium.org, ldv@altlinux.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, luto@amacapital.net,
	mhocko@suse.com, mingo@kernel.org, namit@vmware.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, wad@chromium.org
Subject: Re: RFC: call_rcu_outstanding (was Re: WARNING in __mmdrop)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:14:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190722151439.GA247639@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190721233113.GV14271@linux.ibm.com>

[snip]
> > Would it make sense to have call_rcu() check to see if there are many
> > outstanding requests on this CPU and if so process them before returning?
> > That would ensure that frequent callers usually ended up doing their
> > own processing.

Other than what Paul already mentioned about deadlocks, I am not sure if this
would even work for all cases since call_rcu() has to wait for a grace
period.

So, if the number of outstanding requests are higher than a certain amount,
then you *still* have to wait for some RCU configurations for the grace
period duration and cannot just execute the callback in-line. Did I miss
something?

Can waiting in-line for a grace period duration be tolerated in the vhost case?

thanks,

 - Joel


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: mhocko@suse.com, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, jasowang@redhat.com, ldv@altlinux.org,
	james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	namit@vmware.com, mingo@kernel.org, elena.reshetova@intel.com,
	aarcange@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	hch@infradead.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com,
	jglisse@redhat.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	christian@brauner.io, wad@chromium.org,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	luto@amacapital.net, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, guro@fb.com
Subject: Re: RFC: call_rcu_outstanding (was Re: WARNING in __mmdrop)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:14:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190722151439.GA247639@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190721233113.GV14271@linux.ibm.com>

[snip]
> > Would it make sense to have call_rcu() check to see if there are many
> > outstanding requests on this CPU and if so process them before returning?
> > That would ensure that frequent callers usually ended up doing their
> > own processing.

Other than what Paul already mentioned about deadlocks, I am not sure if this
would even work for all cases since call_rcu() has to wait for a grace
period.

So, if the number of outstanding requests are higher than a certain amount,
then you *still* have to wait for some RCU configurations for the grace
period duration and cannot just execute the callback in-line. Did I miss
something?

Can waiting in-line for a grace period duration be tolerated in the vhost case?

thanks,

 - Joel


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-22 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-19  3:35 WARNING in __mmdrop syzbot
2019-07-20 10:08 ` syzbot
2019-07-20 10:08   ` syzbot
2019-07-21 10:02   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 10:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 12:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 12:18       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22  5:24       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-22  5:24         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-22  8:08         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22  8:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  4:01           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  4:01             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  5:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  5:01               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  5:47               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  5:47                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  7:23                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  7:23                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  7:53                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  7:53                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  8:10                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  8:10                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  8:49                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  8:49                         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  9:26                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  9:26                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 13:31                           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23 13:31                             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  5:52                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  5:52                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  7:43                               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  7:43                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  8:28                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  8:28                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 13:21                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25 13:21                                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25 13:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 13:26                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:25                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25 14:25                                         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 11:49                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 11:49                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 12:00                                           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 12:00                                             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 12:38                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 12:38                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 12:53                                               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 12:53                                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 13:36                                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 13:36                                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 13:49                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 13:49                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29  5:54                                                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-29  5:54                                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-29  8:59                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29  8:59                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29 14:24                                                         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-29 14:24                                                           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-29 14:44                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29 14:44                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-30  7:44                                                             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-30  7:44                                                               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-30  8:03                                                               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-30  8:03                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-30 15:08                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-30 15:08                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-31  8:49                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-31  8:49                                                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-31 23:00                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-31 23:00                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-26 13:47                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 13:47                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 14:00                                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 14:00                                                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-26 14:10                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 14:10                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 15:03                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-26 15:03                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-29  5:56                                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-29  5:56                                                         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-21 12:28     ` RFC: call_rcu_outstanding (was Re: WARNING in __mmdrop) Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 12:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 13:17       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-21 13:17         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-21 17:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 17:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-21 19:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-21 19:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22  7:56             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22  7:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 11:57               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 11:57                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-21 21:08         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-07-21 21:08           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-07-21 23:31           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-21 23:31             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22  7:52             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22  7:52               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 11:51               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 11:51                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 13:41                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-22 13:41                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-22 15:52                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 15:52                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 16:04                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-22 16:04                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-22 16:15                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 16:15                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 16:15                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 16:15                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 15:14             ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2019-07-22 15:14               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-22 15:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 15:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 15:55                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 15:55                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 16:13                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 16:13                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 16:25                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 16:25                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 16:32                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 16:32                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22 18:58                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22 18:58                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-22  5:21     ` WARNING in __mmdrop Jason Wang
2019-07-22  5:21       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-22  8:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-22  8:02         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  3:55         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  3:55           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  5:02           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  5:02             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  5:48             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  5:48               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  7:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  7:25                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  7:55                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  7:55                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  7:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  7:56                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23  8:42                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23  8:42                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23 10:27                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 10:27                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 13:34                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23 13:34                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23 15:02                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 15:02                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24  2:17                         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-24  2:17                           ` Jason Wang
2019-07-24  8:05                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24  8:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 10:08                             ` Jason Wang
2019-07-24 10:08                               ` Jason Wang
2019-07-24 18:25                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 18:25                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  3:44                                 ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  3:44                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  5:09                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  5:09                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 16:53                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-24 16:53                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-24 18:25                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 18:25                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 10:42                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 10:42                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 13:37                     ` Jason Wang
2019-07-23 13:37                       ` Jason Wang
2019-07-22 14:11     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-22 14:11       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-25  6:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  6:02         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25  7:44         ` Jason Wang
2019-07-25  7:44           ` Jason Wang

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