Re: [RFC 0/3] block/file-posix: Work around XFS bug

[Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>]

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Am 27.10.2019 um 13:35 hat Stefan Hajnoczi geschrieben:
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:58:46AM +0200, Max Reitz wrote:
> > As for how we can address the issue, I see three ways:
> > (1) The one presented in this series: On XFS with aio=native, we extend
> >     tracked requests for post-EOF fallocate() calls (i.e., write-zero
> >     operations) to reach until infinity (INT64_MAX in practice), mark
> >     them serializing and wait for other conflicting requests.
> > 
> >     Advantages:
> >     + Limits the impact to very specific cases
> >       (And that means it wouldn’t hurt too much to keep this workaround
> >       even when the XFS driver has been fixed)
> >     + Works around the bug where it happens, namely in file-posix
> > 
> >     Disadvantages:
> >     - A bit complex
> >     - A bit of a layering violation (should file-posix have access to
> >       tracked requests?)
> 
> Your patch series is reasonable.  I don't think it's too bad.
> 
> The main question is how to detect the XFS fix once it ships.  XFS
> already has a ton of ioctls, so maybe they don't mind adding a
> feature/quirk bit map ioctl for publishing information about bug fixes
> to userspace.  I didn't see another obvious way of doing it, maybe a
> mount option that the kernel automatically sets and that gets reported
> to userspace?

I think the CC list is too short for this question. We should involve
the XFS people here.

> If we imagine that XFS will not provide a mechanism to detect the
> presence of the fix, then could we ask QEMU package maintainers to
> ./configure --disable-xfs-fallocate-beyond-eof-workaround at some point
> in the future when their distro has been shipping a fixed kernel for a
> while?  It's ugly because it doesn't work if the user installs an older
> custom-built kernel on the host.  But at least it will cover 98% of
> users...
> 
> > (3) Drop handle_alloc_space(), i.e. revert c8bb23cbdbe32f.
> >     To my knowledge I’m the only one who has provided any benchmarks for
> >     this commit, and even then I was a bit skeptical because it performs
> >     well in some cases and bad in others.  I concluded that it’s
> >     probably worth it because the “some cases” are more likely to occur.
> > 
> >     Now we have this problem of corruption here (granted due to a bug in
> >     the XFS driver), and another report of massively degraded
> >     performance on ppc64
> >     (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1745823 – sorry, a
> >     private BZ; I hate that :-/  The report is about 40 % worse
> >     performance for an in-guest fio write benchmark.)
> > 
> >     So I have to ask the question about what the justification for
> >     keeping c8bb23cbdbe32f is.  How much does performance increase with
> >     it actually?  (On non-(ppc64+XFS) machines, obviously)
> > 
> >     Advantages:
> >     + Trivial
> >     + No layering violations
> >     + We wouldn’t need to keep track of whether the kernel bug has been
> >       fixed or not
> >     + Fixes the ppc64+XFS performance problem
> > 
> >     Disadvantages:
> >     - Reverts cluster allocation performance to pre-c8bb23cbdbe32f
> >       levels, whatever that means
> 
> My favorite because it is clean and simple, but Vladimir has a valid
> use-case for requiring this performance optimization so reverting isn't
> an option.

Vladimir also said that qcow2 subclusters would probably also solve his
problem, so maybe reverting and applying the subcluster patches instead
is a possible solution, too?

We already have some cases where the existing handle_alloc_space()
causes performance to actually become worse, and serialising requests as
a workaround isn't going to make performance any better. So even on
these grounds, keeping commit c8bb23cbdbe32f is questionable.

Kevin

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