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From: Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"qemu-block\@nongnu.org" <qemu-block@nongnu.org>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anton Nefedov <anton.nefedov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] block/file-posix: Work around XFS bug
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:12:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w51mudbsmk7.fsf@maestria.local.igalia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7ed9b8f0-2d8c-7bac-185e-9a1dd68fcce8@redhat.com>

On Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:25:12 PM CET, Max Reitz wrote:
>>>>> So, it's obvious that c8bb23cbdbe32f5c326 is significant for 1M
>>>>> cluster-size, even on rotational disk, which means that previous
>>>>> assumption about calling handle_alloc_space() only for ssd is wrong,
>>>>> we need smarter heuristics..
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'd prefer (1) or (2).
>>>
>>> OK.  I wonder whether that problem would go away with Berto’s subcluster
>>> series, though.
>> 
>> Catching up with this now. I was told about this last week at the KVM
>> Forum, but if the problems comes with the use of fallocate() and XFS,
>> the I don't think subclusters will solve it.
>> 
>> handle_alloc_space() is used to fill a cluster with zeroes when there's
>> COW, and that happens the same with subclusters, just at the subcluster
>> level instead of course.
>> 
>> What can happen, if the subcluster size matches the filesystem block
>> size, is that there's no need for any COW and therefore the bug is never
>> triggered. But that's not quite the same as a fix :-)
>
> No, what I meant was that the original problem that led to c8bb23cbdbe
> would go away.

Ah, right. Not quite, according to my numbers:

|--------------+----------------+-----------------+-------------|
| Cluster size | subclusters=on | subclusters=off | fallocate() |
|--------------+----------------+-----------------+-------------|
|       256 KB |     10182 IOPS |        966 IOPS |  14007 IOPS |
|       512 KB |      7919 IOPS |        563 IOPS |  13442 IOPS |
|      1024 KB |      5050 IOPS |        465 IOPS |  13887 IOPS |
|      2048 KB |      2465 IOPS |        271 IOPS |  13885 IOPS |
|--------------+----------------+-----------------+-------------|

There's obviously no backing image, and only the last column uses
handle_alloc_space() / fallocate().

Berto


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-04 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-25  9:58 [RFC 0/3] block/file-posix: Work around XFS bug Max Reitz
2019-10-25  9:58 ` [RFC 1/3] block: Make wait/mark serialising requests public Max Reitz
2019-10-25  9:58 ` [RFC 2/3] block/file-posix: Detect XFS with CONFIG_FALLOCATE Max Reitz
2019-10-25 10:19   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-25 10:22     ` Max Reitz
2019-10-25 10:35       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-25 10:41         ` Max Reitz
2019-10-26 17:26   ` Nir Soffer
2019-10-25  9:58 ` [RFC 3/3] block/file-posix: Let post-EOF fallocate serialize Max Reitz
2019-10-26 17:28   ` Nir Soffer
2019-10-25 13:40 ` [RFC 0/3] block/file-posix: Work around XFS bug Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-25 13:56   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-25 14:19     ` Max Reitz
2019-10-25 14:35       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-25 14:36       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-27 12:21         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-04 14:03       ` Alberto Garcia
2019-11-04 14:25         ` Max Reitz
2019-11-04 15:12           ` Alberto Garcia [this message]
2019-11-04 15:14             ` Max Reitz
2019-11-04 15:49               ` Alberto Garcia
2019-11-04 16:07                 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-25 13:46 ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-25 14:16   ` Max Reitz
2019-10-25 14:17     ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-25 14:21       ` Max Reitz
2019-10-25 14:56         ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-26  0:14 ` no-reply
2019-10-26 17:37 ` Nir Soffer
2019-10-26 17:52   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-28  8:56     ` Max Reitz
2019-10-27 12:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-28  9:24   ` Max Reitz
2019-10-28  9:30     ` Max Reitz
2019-10-28  9:56       ` Max Reitz
2019-10-28 10:07         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-28 10:10           ` Max Reitz
2019-10-28 11:19             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-28 11:04   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-28 11:25     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-29  8:50       ` Max Reitz
2019-10-29 11:48         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-29 11:55           ` Max Reitz
2019-10-29 12:05             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-29 12:11               ` Max Reitz
2019-10-29 12:19                 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-29 12:23                   ` Max Reitz

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