From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/18] infiniband: set FOLL_PIN, FOLL_LONGTERM via pin_longterm_pages*()
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:33:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191104203346.GF30938@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191103211813.213227-8-jhubbard@nvidia.com>
On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 01:18:02PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
> Convert infiniband to use the new wrapper calls, and stop
> explicitly setting FOLL_LONGTERM at the call sites.
>
> The new pin_longterm_*() calls replace get_user_pages*()
> calls, and set both FOLL_LONGTERM and a new FOLL_PIN
> flag. The FOLL_PIN flag requires that the caller must
> return the pages via put_user_page*() calls, but
> infiniband was already doing that as part of an earlier
> commit.
>
> Reviewed-by: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c | 5 ++---
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem_odp.c | 10 +++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/hfi1/user_pages.c | 4 ++--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/mthca/mthca_memfree.c | 3 +--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_pages.c | 8 ++++----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_sdma.c | 2 +-
> drivers/infiniband/hw/usnic/usnic_uiom.c | 9 ++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/sw/siw/siw_mem.c | 5 ++---
> 8 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> index 24244a2f68cc..c5a78d3e674b 100644
> +++ b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> @@ -272,11 +272,10 @@ struct ib_umem *ib_umem_get(struct ib_udata *udata, unsigned long addr,
>
> while (npages) {
> down_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
> - ret = get_user_pages(cur_base,
> + ret = pin_longterm_pages(cur_base,
> min_t(unsigned long, npages,
> PAGE_SIZE / sizeof (struct page *)),
> - gup_flags | FOLL_LONGTERM,
> - page_list, NULL);
> + gup_flags, page_list, NULL);
FWIW, this one should be converted to fast as well, I think we finally
got rid of all the blockers for that?
Jason
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/18] infiniband: set FOLL_PIN, FOLL_LONGTERM via pin_longterm_pages*()
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:33:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191104203346.GF30938@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191103211813.213227-8-jhubbard@nvidia.com>
On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 01:18:02PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
> Convert infiniband to use the new wrapper calls, and stop
> explicitly setting FOLL_LONGTERM at the call sites.
>
> The new pin_longterm_*() calls replace get_user_pages*()
> calls, and set both FOLL_LONGTERM and a new FOLL_PIN
> flag. The FOLL_PIN flag requires that the caller must
> return the pages via put_user_page*() calls, but
> infiniband was already doing that as part of an earlier
> commit.
>
> Reviewed-by: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c | 5 ++---
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem_odp.c | 10 +++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/hfi1/user_pages.c | 4 ++--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/mthca/mthca_memfree.c | 3 +--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_pages.c | 8 ++++----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_sdma.c | 2 +-
> drivers/infiniband/hw/usnic/usnic_uiom.c | 9 ++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/sw/siw/siw_mem.c | 5 ++---
> 8 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> index 24244a2f68cc..c5a78d3e674b 100644
> +++ b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> @@ -272,11 +272,10 @@ struct ib_umem *ib_umem_get(struct ib_udata *udata, unsigned long addr,
>
> while (npages) {
> down_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
> - ret = get_user_pages(cur_base,
> + ret = pin_longterm_pages(cur_base,
> min_t(unsigned long, npages,
> PAGE_SIZE / sizeof (struct page *)),
> - gup_flags | FOLL_LONGTERM,
> - page_list, NULL);
> + gup_flags, page_list, NULL);
FWIW, this one should be converted to fast as well, I think we finally
got rid of all the blockers for that?
Jason
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@intel.com>,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
"Dave Chinner" <david@fromorbit.com>,
"David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Ira Weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
"Magnus Karlsson" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
"Mauro Carvalho Chehab" <mchehab@kernel.org>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/18] infiniband: set FOLL_PIN, FOLL_LONGTERM via pin_longterm_pages*()
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:33:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191104203346.GF30938@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191103211813.213227-8-jhubbard@nvidia.com>
On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 01:18:02PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
> Convert infiniband to use the new wrapper calls, and stop
> explicitly setting FOLL_LONGTERM at the call sites.
>
> The new pin_longterm_*() calls replace get_user_pages*()
> calls, and set both FOLL_LONGTERM and a new FOLL_PIN
> flag. The FOLL_PIN flag requires that the caller must
> return the pages via put_user_page*() calls, but
> infiniband was already doing that as part of an earlier
> commit.
>
> Reviewed-by: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c | 5 ++---
> drivers/infiniband/core/umem_odp.c | 10 +++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/hfi1/user_pages.c | 4 ++--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/mthca/mthca_memfree.c | 3 +--
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_pages.c | 8 ++++----
> drivers/infiniband/hw/qib/qib_user_sdma.c | 2 +-
> drivers/infiniband/hw/usnic/usnic_uiom.c | 9 ++++-----
> drivers/infiniband/sw/siw/siw_mem.c | 5 ++---
> 8 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> index 24244a2f68cc..c5a78d3e674b 100644
> +++ b/drivers/infiniband/core/umem.c
> @@ -272,11 +272,10 @@ struct ib_umem *ib_umem_get(struct ib_udata *udata, unsigned long addr,
>
> while (npages) {
> down_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
> - ret = get_user_pages(cur_base,
> + ret = pin_longterm_pages(cur_base,
> min_t(unsigned long, npages,
> PAGE_SIZE / sizeof (struct page *)),
> - gup_flags | FOLL_LONGTERM,
> - page_list, NULL);
> + gup_flags, page_list, NULL);
FWIW, this one should be converted to fast as well, I think we finally
got rid of all the blockers for that?
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-04 20:33 UTC|newest]
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2019-11-03 21:17 [PATCH v2 00/18] mm/gup: track dma-pinned pages: FOLL_PIN, FOLL_LONGTERM John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] mm/gup: pass flags arg to __gup_device_* functions John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 16:39 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:39 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:39 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:39 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] mm/gup: factor out duplicate code from four routines John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] goldish_pipe: rename local pin_user_pages() routine John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 16:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 16:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] media/v4l2-core: set pages dirty upon releasing DMA buffers John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:17 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-10 10:10 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:10 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:10 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:10 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-11 21:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-11 21:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-11 21:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-11 21:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] mm/gup: introduce pin_user_pages*() and FOLL_PIN John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 17:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:30 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:30 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:30 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:30 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 19:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 19:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:40 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:40 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:40 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:57 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:57 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:57 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 21:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 21:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 21:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 21:34 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 21:34 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 21:34 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:33 ` David Rientjes
2019-11-04 20:33 ` David Rientjes
2019-11-04 20:33 ` David Rientjes
2019-11-04 20:33 ` David Rientjes
2019-11-04 20:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 20:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-05 13:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 13:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 13:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 13:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 19:00 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 19:00 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 19:00 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 19:00 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-07 2:25 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:25 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:25 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:25 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 8:07 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-07 8:07 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-07 8:07 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-07 8:07 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] goldish_pipe: convert to pin_user_pages() and put_user_page() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] infiniband: set FOLL_PIN, FOLL_LONGTERM via pin_longterm_pages*() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-11-04 20:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:48 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:48 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:48 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 20:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 22:03 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 22:03 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 22:03 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 2:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-05 2:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-05 2:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-07 2:26 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:26 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:26 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-07 2:26 ` Ira Weiny
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] mm/process_vm_access: set FOLL_PIN via pin_user_pages_remote() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 17:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] drm/via: set FOLL_PIN via pin_user_pages_fast() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 17:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 17:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 18:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 18:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 18:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 18:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] fs/io_uring: set FOLL_PIN via pin_user_pages() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] net/xdp: " John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] mm/gup: track FOLL_PIN pages John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 18:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 18:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 18:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 18:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 22:49 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 22:49 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 22:49 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-04 23:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 23:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 23:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-04 23:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-11-05 0:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 0:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-05 0:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] media/v4l2-core: pin_longterm_pages (FOLL_PIN) and put_user_page() conversion John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-10 10:11 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:11 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:11 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-10 10:11 ` Hans Verkuil
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] vfio, mm: " John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] powerpc: book3s64: convert to pin_longterm_pages() and put_user_page() John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] mm/gup_benchmark: support pin_user_pages() and related calls John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] selftests/vm: run_vmtests: invoke gup_benchmark with basic FOLL_PIN coverage John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] mm/gup: remove support for gup(FOLL_LONGTERM) John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
2019-11-03 21:18 ` John Hubbard
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