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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	Tudor Ambarus <Tudor.Ambarus@microchip.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	Bernhard Frauendienst <kernel@nospam.obeliks.de>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] dt-bindings: mtd: Describe mtd-concat devices
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:15:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191125151523.0766b3b7@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191118221341.GA30937@bogus>

Hi Rob,

Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote on Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:13:41 -0600:

> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 06:15:04PM +0100, Miquel Raynal wrote:
> > From: Bernhard Frauendienst <kernel@nospam.obeliks.de>
> > 
> > The main use case to concatenate MTD devices is probably SPI-NOR
> > flashes where the number of address bits is limited to 24, which can
> > access a range of 16MiB. Board manufacturers might want to double the
> > SPI storage size by adding a second flash asserted thanks to a second
> > chip selects which enhances the addressing capabilities to 25 bits,
> > 32MiB. Having two devices for twice the size is great but without more
> > glue, we cannot define partition boundaries spread across the two
> > devices. This is the gap mtd-concat intends to address.
> > 
> > There are two options to describe concatenated devices:
> > 1/ One flash chip is described in the DT with two CS;
> > 2/ Two flash chips are described in the DT with one CS each, a virtual
> > device is also created to describe the concatenation.
> > 
> > Solution 1/ presents at least 3 issues:
> > * The hardware description is abused;
> > * The concatenation only works for SPI devices (while it could be
> >   helpful for any MTD);
> > * It would require a lot of rework in the SPI core as most of the
> >   logic assumes there is and there always will be only one CS per
> >   chip.  
> 
> This seems ok if all the devices are identical.

This is not an option for Mark and I agree with him as we are faking
the reality: the two devices we want to virtually concatenate may be
two physically different devices. Binding them as one is lying.

> > Solution 2/ also has caveats:
> > * The virtual device has no hardware reality;
> > * Possible optimizations at the hardware level will be hard to enable
> >   efficiently (ie. a common direct mapping abstracted by a SPI
> >   memories oriented controller).  
> 
> Something like this may be necessary if data is interleaved rather than 
> concatinated.

This is something that is gonna happen too, it is called "dual
parallel".

> Solution 3
> Describe each device and partition separately and add link(s) from one 
> partition to the next 
> 
> flash0 {
>   partitions {
>     compatible = "fixed-partitions";
>     concat-partition = <&flash1_partitions>;
>     ...
>   };
> };
> 
> flash1 {
>   flash1_partition: partitions {
>     compatible = "fixed-partitions";
>     ...
>   };
> };

I honestly don't see how this is different as solution 2/? In one case
we describe the partition concatenation in one subnode as a "link", in
the other we create a separate node to describe the link. Are you
strongly opposed as solution 2/? From a pure conceptual point of view,
is it really different than 3/?
 

Thanks,
Miquèl

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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	Tudor Ambarus <Tudor.Ambarus@microchip.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Bernhard Frauendienst <kernel@nospam.obeliks.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] dt-bindings: mtd: Describe mtd-concat devices
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:15:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191125151523.0766b3b7@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191118221341.GA30937@bogus>

Hi Rob,

Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote on Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:13:41 -0600:

> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 06:15:04PM +0100, Miquel Raynal wrote:
> > From: Bernhard Frauendienst <kernel@nospam.obeliks.de>
> > 
> > The main use case to concatenate MTD devices is probably SPI-NOR
> > flashes where the number of address bits is limited to 24, which can
> > access a range of 16MiB. Board manufacturers might want to double the
> > SPI storage size by adding a second flash asserted thanks to a second
> > chip selects which enhances the addressing capabilities to 25 bits,
> > 32MiB. Having two devices for twice the size is great but without more
> > glue, we cannot define partition boundaries spread across the two
> > devices. This is the gap mtd-concat intends to address.
> > 
> > There are two options to describe concatenated devices:
> > 1/ One flash chip is described in the DT with two CS;
> > 2/ Two flash chips are described in the DT with one CS each, a virtual
> > device is also created to describe the concatenation.
> > 
> > Solution 1/ presents at least 3 issues:
> > * The hardware description is abused;
> > * The concatenation only works for SPI devices (while it could be
> >   helpful for any MTD);
> > * It would require a lot of rework in the SPI core as most of the
> >   logic assumes there is and there always will be only one CS per
> >   chip.  
> 
> This seems ok if all the devices are identical.

This is not an option for Mark and I agree with him as we are faking
the reality: the two devices we want to virtually concatenate may be
two physically different devices. Binding them as one is lying.

> > Solution 2/ also has caveats:
> > * The virtual device has no hardware reality;
> > * Possible optimizations at the hardware level will be hard to enable
> >   efficiently (ie. a common direct mapping abstracted by a SPI
> >   memories oriented controller).  
> 
> Something like this may be necessary if data is interleaved rather than 
> concatinated.

This is something that is gonna happen too, it is called "dual
parallel".

> Solution 3
> Describe each device and partition separately and add link(s) from one 
> partition to the next 
> 
> flash0 {
>   partitions {
>     compatible = "fixed-partitions";
>     concat-partition = <&flash1_partitions>;
>     ...
>   };
> };
> 
> flash1 {
>   flash1_partition: partitions {
>     compatible = "fixed-partitions";
>     ...
>   };
> };

I honestly don't see how this is different as solution 2/? In one case
we describe the partition concatenation in one subnode as a "link", in
the other we create a separate node to describe the link. Are you
strongly opposed as solution 2/? From a pure conceptual point of view,
is it really different than 3/?
 

Thanks,
Miquèl

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-25 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-13 17:15 [PATCH v4 0/4] MTD concat Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15 ` Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] mtd: concat: Fix a comment referring to an unknown symbol Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15   ` Miquel Raynal
2020-01-14 17:09   ` Miquel Raynal
2020-01-14 17:09     ` Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mtd: Add get_mtd_device_by_node() helper Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15   ` Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] dt-bindings: mtd: Describe mtd-concat devices Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15   ` Miquel Raynal
2019-11-18 22:13   ` Rob Herring
2019-11-18 22:13     ` Rob Herring
2019-11-25 14:15     ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2019-11-25 14:15       ` Miquel Raynal
2019-12-02 16:26       ` Rob Herring
2019-12-02 16:26         ` Rob Herring
2019-11-13 17:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] mtd: Add driver for concatenating devices Miquel Raynal
2019-11-13 17:15   ` Miquel Raynal

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