From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Stevens <stevensd@chromium.org>
Cc: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
"Zach Reizner" <zachr@chromium.org>,
"Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
"Gurchetan Singh" <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev][RFC PATCH v1 1/2] content: define what an exported object is
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:10:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200122060844-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD=HUj4pORJK1SQ2+n_oiXJyGaKqakSiOGcXdRCGSAMnuxY4cw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 07:13:41PM +0900, David Stevens wrote:
> > > +When an object created by one virtio device needs to be
> > > +shared with a seperate virtio device, the first device can
> > > +export the object by generating a \field{uuid}
> >
> > This is a field where?
>
> It's a property of the exported object, but I guess it doesn't really
> correspond to any concrete field. I'll remove \field.
>
> > > which the
> > > +guest can pass to the second device to identify the object.
> >
> > s/guest/Driver/ ?
>
> The uuid can be passed to a second device controlled by a different
> driver, so I think 'driver' by itself is ambiguous. I'm using guest as
> a shorthand for 'system which includes the drivers and software which
> sits on top of the drivers', and that meaning does seem to be
> compatible with language in the rest of the spec. If that shorthand
> isn't acceptable, I can rewrite the sentence passively as '... a uuid
> which can then be passed to a second device ...'.
>
> > Also - what are guest and host here?
>
> There are a number of places in the virtio spec where 'guest' is used
> to refer to the system where drivers run and where 'host' is used to
> refer to the system where devices run. I guess those terms aren't
> concretely defined within the spec, but they do seem to have a well
> understood meaning. Or is the guest/host language discouraged in new
> additions to the spec?
>
> -David
Yes - generally most devices are/should be implementable in hardware.
In that setup guest/host doesn't make sense.
We haven't reworked all of spec with that in mind yet,
and in some cases such as the balloon it's actually specific to
virtualization.
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MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Stevens <stevensd@chromium.org>
Cc: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
"Zach Reizner" <zachr@chromium.org>,
"Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
"Gurchetan Singh" <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev][RFC PATCH v1 1/2] content: define what an exported object is
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:10:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200122060844-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD=HUj4pORJK1SQ2+n_oiXJyGaKqakSiOGcXdRCGSAMnuxY4cw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 07:13:41PM +0900, David Stevens wrote:
> > > +When an object created by one virtio device needs to be
> > > +shared with a seperate virtio device, the first device can
> > > +export the object by generating a \field{uuid}
> >
> > This is a field where?
>
> It's a property of the exported object, but I guess it doesn't really
> correspond to any concrete field. I'll remove \field.
>
> > > which the
> > > +guest can pass to the second device to identify the object.
> >
> > s/guest/Driver/ ?
>
> The uuid can be passed to a second device controlled by a different
> driver, so I think 'driver' by itself is ambiguous. I'm using guest as
> a shorthand for 'system which includes the drivers and software which
> sits on top of the drivers', and that meaning does seem to be
> compatible with language in the rest of the spec. If that shorthand
> isn't acceptable, I can rewrite the sentence passively as '... a uuid
> which can then be passed to a second device ...'.
>
> > Also - what are guest and host here?
>
> There are a number of places in the virtio spec where 'guest' is used
> to refer to the system where drivers run and where 'host' is used to
> refer to the system where devices run. I guess those terms aren't
> concretely defined within the spec, but they do seem to have a well
> understood meaning. Or is the guest/host language discouraged in new
> additions to the spec?
>
> -David
Yes - generally most devices are/should be implementable in hardware.
In that setup guest/host doesn't make sense.
We haven't reworked all of spec with that in mind yet,
and in some cases such as the balloon it's actually specific to
virtualization.
--
MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Stevens <stevensd@chromium.org>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
"Zach Reizner" <zachr@chromium.org>,
"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
"Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
"Gurchetan Singh" <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev][RFC PATCH v1 1/2] content: define what an exported object is
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:10:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200122060844-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD=HUj4pORJK1SQ2+n_oiXJyGaKqakSiOGcXdRCGSAMnuxY4cw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 07:13:41PM +0900, David Stevens wrote:
> > > +When an object created by one virtio device needs to be
> > > +shared with a seperate virtio device, the first device can
> > > +export the object by generating a \field{uuid}
> >
> > This is a field where?
>
> It's a property of the exported object, but I guess it doesn't really
> correspond to any concrete field. I'll remove \field.
>
> > > which the
> > > +guest can pass to the second device to identify the object.
> >
> > s/guest/Driver/ ?
>
> The uuid can be passed to a second device controlled by a different
> driver, so I think 'driver' by itself is ambiguous. I'm using guest as
> a shorthand for 'system which includes the drivers and software which
> sits on top of the drivers', and that meaning does seem to be
> compatible with language in the rest of the spec. If that shorthand
> isn't acceptable, I can rewrite the sentence passively as '... a uuid
> which can then be passed to a second device ...'.
>
> > Also - what are guest and host here?
>
> There are a number of places in the virtio spec where 'guest' is used
> to refer to the system where drivers run and where 'host' is used to
> refer to the system where devices run. I guess those terms aren't
> concretely defined within the spec, but they do seem to have a well
> understood meaning. Or is the guest/host language discouraged in new
> additions to the spec?
>
> -David
Yes - generally most devices are/should be implementable in hardware.
In that setup guest/host doesn't make sense.
We haven't reworked all of spec with that in mind yet,
and in some cases such as the balloon it's actually specific to
virtualization.
--
MST
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2020-01-22 7:16 [virtio-dev][RFC PATCH v1 1/2] content: define what an exported object is David Stevens
2020-01-22 7:16 ` David Stevens
2020-01-22 8:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-22 8:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-22 8:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-22 10:13 ` David Stevens
2020-01-22 10:13 ` David Stevens
2020-01-22 10:13 ` David Stevens
2020-01-22 11:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2020-01-22 11:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-22 11:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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