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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	pkrempa@redhat.com,
	"open list:Sheepdog" <sheepdog@lists.wpkg.org>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com,
	"open list:Trivial patches" <qemu-trivial@nongnu.org>,
	Liu Yuan <namei.unix@gmail.com>,
	Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] block: Add trivial backing_fmt support to qcow, sheepdog, vmdk
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:57:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200309155713.GE6478@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200309154412.GL3033513@redhat.com>

Am 09.03.2020 um 16:44 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> We could support "-F ..." and validate any non-raw formats, while raising a
> runtime error in the case of "-F raw", as only the "raw" backing format has
> the probing security risk.
> 
> Users who need  to use qcow, with a backing file, without a format can
> just not pass "-F" and in doing so will be insecure.

Hm, this is actually an interesting option. We wouldn't lose features
compared to today without -F, but we would allow -F when we can verify
that the operation is safe (the image is already non-raw).

> We could take this opportunity to deprecate 'qcow' perhaps, declare it
> a read-only format, restricted to qemu-img/qemu-io for purpose of data
> liberation ?

I'm against making any format read-only because that immediately means
that it becomes untestable.

> For sheepdog, if it is something we genuinely still care about, then
> adding a backing file format record seems neccessary, unless we either
> forbid use of raw backing files, or forbid use of non-raw backing files,
> either way would be safe.

In case of doubt, we can use the same logic as you suggested for qcow
(accept only non-raw with -F, but no restrictions without -F).

Kevin



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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	pkrempa@redhat.com,
	"open list:Sheepdog" <sheepdog@lists.wpkg.org>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com,
	"open list:Trivial patches" <qemu-trivial@nongnu.org>,
	Liu Yuan <namei.unix@gmail.com>,
	Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] block: Add trivial backing_fmt support to qcow, sheepdog, vmdk
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:57:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200309155713.GE6478@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200309154412.GL3033513@redhat.com>

Am 09.03.2020 um 16:44 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> We could support "-F ..." and validate any non-raw formats, while raising a
> runtime error in the case of "-F raw", as only the "raw" backing format has
> the probing security risk.
> 
> Users who need  to use qcow, with a backing file, without a format can
> just not pass "-F" and in doing so will be insecure.

Hm, this is actually an interesting option. We wouldn't lose features
compared to today without -F, but we would allow -F when we can verify
that the operation is safe (the image is already non-raw).

> We could take this opportunity to deprecate 'qcow' perhaps, declare it
> a read-only format, restricted to qemu-img/qemu-io for purpose of data
> liberation ?

I'm against making any format read-only because that immediately means
that it becomes untestable.

> For sheepdog, if it is something we genuinely still care about, then
> adding a backing file format record seems neccessary, unless we either
> forbid use of raw backing files, or forbid use of non-raw backing files,
> either way would be safe.

In case of doubt, we can use the same logic as you suggested for qcow
(accept only non-raw with -F, but no restrictions without -F).

Kevin



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-09 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-06 22:51 [PATCH v3 0/4] Tighten qemu-img rules on missing backing format Eric Blake
2020-03-06 22:51 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] block: Add trivial backing_fmt support to qcow, sheepdog, vmdk Eric Blake
2020-03-06 22:51   ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-09 15:21     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-09 15:32     ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:32       ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:44       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-09 15:52         ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:57         ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2020-03-09 15:57           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-09 15:48       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-09 15:48         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-09 15:55         ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:55           ` Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:36     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-09 15:36       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-09 15:50       ` Eric Blake
2020-03-06 22:51 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] iotests: Specify explicit backing format where sensible Eric Blake
2020-03-06 22:51 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] block: Add support to warn on backing file change without format Eric Blake
2020-03-06 22:51 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] qemu-img: Deprecate use of -b without -F Eric Blake
2020-03-09 15:31   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-03-09 15:42     ` Eric Blake
2020-03-10  9:47       ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-03-10 12:15         ` Eric Blake
2020-03-10 14:53           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-03-10 10:57       ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-03-10 12:17         ` Eric Blake
2020-03-10 12:19         ` Eric Blake
2020-03-10 14:50           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-03-13 18:20     ` Eric Blake

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