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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	cjia@nvidia.com, kevin.tian@intel.com, ziye.yang@intel.com,
	changpeng.liu@intel.com, yi.l.liu@intel.com, mlevitsk@redhat.com,
	eskultet@redhat.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	jonathan.davies@nutanix.com, eauger@redhat.com, aik@ozlabs.ru,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, felipe@nutanix.com,
	Zhengxiao.zx@alibaba-inc.com, shuangtai.tst@alibaba-inc.com,
	Ken.Xue@amd.com, zhi.a.wang@intel.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH Kernel v22 0/8] Add UAPIs to support migration for VFIO devices
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 12:12:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200529111254.GH2856@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200528165340.53a57e22@x1.home>

* Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 04:01:02 -0400
> Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > > This is my understanding of the protocol as well, when the device is
> > > > > running, pending_bytes might drop to zero if no internal state has
> > > > > changed and may be non-zero on the next iteration due to device
> > > > > activity.  When the device is not running, pending_bytes reporting zero
> > > > > indicates the device is done, there is no further state to transmit.
> > > > > Does that meet your need/expectation?
> > > > >  
> > > > (1) on one side, as in vfio_save_pending(),
> > > > vfio_save_pending()
> > > > {
> > > >     ...
> > > >     ret = vfio_update_pending(vbasedev);
> > > >     ...
> > > >     *res_precopy_only += migration->pending_bytes;
> > > >     ...
> > > > }
> > > > the pending_bytes tells migration thread how much data is still hold in
> > > > device side.
> > > > the device data includes
> > > > device internal data + running device dirty data + device state.
> > > > 
> > > > so the pending_bytes should include device state as well, right?
> > > > if so, the pending_bytes should never reach 0 if there's any device
> > > > state to be sent after device is stopped.  
> > > 
> > > I hadn't expected the pending-bytes to include a fixed offset for device
> > > state (If you mean a few registers etc) - I'd expect pending to drop
> > > possibly to zero;  the heuristic as to when to switch from iteration to
> > > stop, is based on the total pending across all iterated devices; so it's
> > > got to be allowed to drop otherwise you'll never transition to stop.
> > >   
> > ok. got it.
> 
> Yeah, as I understand it, a device is not required to participate in
> reporting data available while (_SAVING | _RUNNING), there will always
> be an iteration while the device is !_RUNNING.  Therefore if you have
> fixed device state that you're always going to send, it should only be
> sent once when called during !_RUNNING.  The iterative phase should be
> used where you have a good chance to avoid re-sending data at the
> stop-and-copy phase.  Thanks,

Right.

Dave

> Alex
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Zhengxiao.zx@alibaba-inc.com, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	yi.l.liu@intel.com, cjia@nvidia.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	eskultet@redhat.com, ziye.yang@intel.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	shuangtai.tst@alibaba-inc.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	zhi.a.wang@intel.com, mlevitsk@redhat.com, pasic@linux.ibm.com,
	aik@ozlabs.ru, Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	eauger@redhat.com, felipe@nutanix.com,
	jonathan.davies@nutanix.com, Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	changpeng.liu@intel.com, Ken.Xue@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH Kernel v22 0/8] Add UAPIs to support migration for VFIO devices
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 12:12:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200529111254.GH2856@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200528165340.53a57e22@x1.home>

* Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 04:01:02 -0400
> Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > > This is my understanding of the protocol as well, when the device is
> > > > > running, pending_bytes might drop to zero if no internal state has
> > > > > changed and may be non-zero on the next iteration due to device
> > > > > activity.  When the device is not running, pending_bytes reporting zero
> > > > > indicates the device is done, there is no further state to transmit.
> > > > > Does that meet your need/expectation?
> > > > >  
> > > > (1) on one side, as in vfio_save_pending(),
> > > > vfio_save_pending()
> > > > {
> > > >     ...
> > > >     ret = vfio_update_pending(vbasedev);
> > > >     ...
> > > >     *res_precopy_only += migration->pending_bytes;
> > > >     ...
> > > > }
> > > > the pending_bytes tells migration thread how much data is still hold in
> > > > device side.
> > > > the device data includes
> > > > device internal data + running device dirty data + device state.
> > > > 
> > > > so the pending_bytes should include device state as well, right?
> > > > if so, the pending_bytes should never reach 0 if there's any device
> > > > state to be sent after device is stopped.  
> > > 
> > > I hadn't expected the pending-bytes to include a fixed offset for device
> > > state (If you mean a few registers etc) - I'd expect pending to drop
> > > possibly to zero;  the heuristic as to when to switch from iteration to
> > > stop, is based on the total pending across all iterated devices; so it's
> > > got to be allowed to drop otherwise you'll never transition to stop.
> > >   
> > ok. got it.
> 
> Yeah, as I understand it, a device is not required to participate in
> reporting data available while (_SAVING | _RUNNING), there will always
> be an iteration while the device is !_RUNNING.  Therefore if you have
> fixed device state that you're always going to send, it should only be
> sent once when called during !_RUNNING.  The iterative phase should be
> used where you have a good chance to avoid re-sending data at the
> stop-and-copy phase.  Thanks,

Right.

Dave

> Alex
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-29 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-18  5:56 [PATCH Kernel v22 0/8] Add UAPIs to support migration for VFIO devices Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 1/8] vfio: UAPI for migration interface for device state Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 2/8] vfio iommu: Remove atomicity of ref_count of pinned pages Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 3/8] vfio iommu: Cache pgsize_bitmap in struct vfio_iommu Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 10:08   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 10:08     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 14:46     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 14:46       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 4/8] vfio iommu: Add ioctl definition for dirty pages tracking Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 5/8] vfio iommu: Implementation of ioctl " Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18 21:53   ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-18 21:53     ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-19  7:11     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  7:11       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:52       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:52         ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 6/8] vfio iommu: Update UNMAP_DMA ioctl to get dirty bitmap before unmap Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:54   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:54     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 10:27     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 10:27       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 15:16       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 15:16         ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 7/8] vfio iommu: Add migration capability to report supported features Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 10:42   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 10:42     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-05-20 15:23     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 15:23       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 8/8] vfio: Selective dirty page tracking if IOMMU backed device pins pages Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-18  5:56   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:54   ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19  6:54     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-19 16:58 ` [PATCH Kernel v22 0/8] Add UAPIs to support migration for VFIO devices Alex Williamson
2020-05-19 16:58   ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-20  2:55   ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-20  2:55     ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-20 13:40     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 13:40       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-20 16:46       ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-20 16:46         ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-21  5:08         ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-21  5:08           ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-21  7:09           ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-21  7:09             ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-21  7:04             ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-21  7:04               ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-21  7:28               ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-21  7:28                 ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-21  7:32               ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-21  7:32                 ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-25  6:59   ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-25  6:59     ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-25 13:20     ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-25 13:20       ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-26 20:19       ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-26 20:19         ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-27  6:23         ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-27  6:23           ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-27  8:48           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-05-27  8:48             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-05-28  8:01             ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-28  8:01               ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-28 22:53               ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-28 22:53                 ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-29 11:12                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2020-05-29 11:12                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-05-28 22:59             ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-28 22:59               ` Alex Williamson
2020-05-29  4:15               ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-29  4:15                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-05-29 17:57               ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-05-29 17:57                 ` Kirti Wankhede

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