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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: afzal mohammed <afzal.mohd.ma@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] lib: copy_{from,to}_user using gup & kmap_atomic()
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:00:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200613160040.GI23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200613154118.GH23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 04:31:02PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 07:12:36PM +0530, afzal mohammed wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Incidentally, what about get_user()/put_user()?  _That_ is where it's
> > > > going to really hurt...
> > > 
> > > All other uaccess routines are also planned to be added, posting only
> > > copy_{from,to}_user() was to get early feedback (mentioned in the
> > > cover letter)
> > 
> > Sure, but what I mean is that I'd expect the performance loss to be
> > dominated by that, not by copy_from_user/copy_to_user on large amounts
> > of data.  Especially on the loads like kernel builds - a lot of stat()
> > and getdents() calls there.
> 
> To clarify: stat() means small copy_to_user(), getdents() - a mix of
> put_user() and small copy_to_user().  I would be very surprised if it
> does not hurt a lot.

PS: there's another fun issue here:

fill a file with zeroes
mmap that file in two areas, MAP_SHARED
thread 1:
munmap() the first area
fill the second one with 'X'
thread 2:
write() from the first area into pipe

One could expect that nothing by zeroes gets written into
pipe - it might be a short write() (or -EFAULT), but finding
any 'X' there would be a bug.

Your patches allow for a possibility of write() doing
get_user_pages_fast(), getting the first page just as
munmap() is about to remove it from page tables and bugger
off.  Then thread 1 proceeds with the store (via the
second area).  And then thread 2 does memcpy() from that
thing via a kmap_atomic()-created alias, observing the
effect of the store.

That might or might not be a POSIX violation, but it does
look like a QoI issue...

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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: afzal mohammed <afzal.mohd.ma@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] lib: copy_{from,to}_user using gup & kmap_atomic()
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:00:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200613160040.GI23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200613154118.GH23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 04:31:02PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 07:12:36PM +0530, afzal mohammed wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Incidentally, what about get_user()/put_user()?  _That_ is where it's
> > > > going to really hurt...
> > > 
> > > All other uaccess routines are also planned to be added, posting only
> > > copy_{from,to}_user() was to get early feedback (mentioned in the
> > > cover letter)
> > 
> > Sure, but what I mean is that I'd expect the performance loss to be
> > dominated by that, not by copy_from_user/copy_to_user on large amounts
> > of data.  Especially on the loads like kernel builds - a lot of stat()
> > and getdents() calls there.
> 
> To clarify: stat() means small copy_to_user(), getdents() - a mix of
> put_user() and small copy_to_user().  I would be very surprised if it
> does not hurt a lot.

PS: there's another fun issue here:

fill a file with zeroes
mmap that file in two areas, MAP_SHARED
thread 1:
munmap() the first area
fill the second one with 'X'
thread 2:
write() from the first area into pipe

One could expect that nothing by zeroes gets written into
pipe - it might be a short write() (or -EFAULT), but finding
any 'X' there would be a bug.

Your patches allow for a possibility of write() doing
get_user_pages_fast(), getting the first page just as
munmap() is about to remove it from page tables and bugger
off.  Then thread 1 proceeds with the store (via the
second area).  And then thread 2 does memcpy() from that
thing via a kmap_atomic()-created alias, observing the
effect of the store.

That might or might not be a POSIX violation, but it does
look like a QoI issue...


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-13 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-12 10:17 [RFC 0/3] ARM: copy_{from,to}_user() for vmsplit 4g/4g afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:17 ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:17 ` [RFC 1/3] lib: copy_{from,to}_user using gup & kmap_atomic() afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:35   ` [RFC PATCH " afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 12:02   ` [RFC " Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-12 12:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-12 13:55     ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 13:55       ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 20:07       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-12 20:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-13 12:04         ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 12:04           ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 12:51           ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 12:51             ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 12:56             ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 12:56               ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 13:42               ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 13:42                 ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 15:31                 ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 15:31                   ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 15:41                   ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 15:41                     ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 16:00                     ` Al Viro [this message]
2020-06-13 16:00                       ` Al Viro
2020-06-13 18:55                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-13 18:55                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-15 11:22                   ` David Laight
2020-06-15 11:22                     ` David Laight
2020-06-13 13:15           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-13 13:15             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-14 13:06             ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-14 13:06               ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 20:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-13 20:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-06-13 22:16             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-13 22:16               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-14 13:21             ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-14 13:21               ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-14 14:55               ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-14 14:55                 ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 11:08   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-06-13 11:08     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-06-13 13:29     ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-13 13:29       ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:18 ` [RFC 2/3] ARM: uaccess: let UACCESS_GUP_KMAP_MEMCPY enabling afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:40   ` [RFC PATCH " afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:18 ` [RFC 3/3] ARM: provide CONFIG_VMSPLIT_4G_DEV for development afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 10:38   ` [RFC PATCH " afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 15:19 ` [RFC 0/3] ARM: copy_{from,to}_user() for vmsplit 4g/4g Nicolas Pitre
2020-06-12 15:19   ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-06-12 16:01   ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 16:01     ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 16:03     ` afzal mohammed
2020-06-12 16:03       ` afzal mohammed

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