From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.clm>,
tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 13:26:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202007051321.5006727D4@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <058628AE-1EB1-4782-92B4-9D2D4CBD6B0E@fb.com>
On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 01:21:23PM -0400, Chris Mason via Tech-board-discuss wrote:
> I can’t speak for Dan, but if anyone has better ways to keep future debates
> productive, I think they are worth discussing. It’s important to me that we
> not paper over history or the current events, but I’d suggest we try and
> reword inclusive-terminology.rst instead of dropping it completely.
I want to have documentation, internal to Linux, that we can point at
to provide answers to all the common complaints about these kinds of
changes to Linux's (primary English) language usage. None of us need
to have the same debates repeated on our lists that we've already had
(or other projects have already had). I look at it as a inclusivity (or,
frankly, empathy) FAQ.
Now, if that documentation ends up just being a couple paragraphs embedded
in CodingStyle saying "it's more descriptive, and that reason alone is
sufficient to demand the changes", then I'm okay with that too.
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-05 20:26 UTC|newest]
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2020-07-04 20:02 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:02 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:02 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:31 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 20:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 20:31 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 23:41 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 23:41 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 23:41 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 0:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-05 0:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-05 1:10 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05 1:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05 1:10 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:44 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Randy Dunlap
2020-07-05 2:44 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Randy Dunlap
2020-07-05 2:44 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-06 11:15 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 11:15 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 11:15 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 15:53 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-06 15:53 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-06 15:53 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:54 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:54 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:54 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 20:44 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 23:34 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 23:34 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 23:34 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 2:12 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 2:56 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:56 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:56 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 3:23 ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05 3:23 ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05 3:23 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-05 3:26 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 3:26 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 3:26 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 21:14 ` Olof Johansson
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2020-07-04 21:25 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
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2020-07-04 23:39 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
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2020-07-05 0:08 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Joe Perches
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2020-07-05 0:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
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2020-07-06 7:06 ` NeilBrown
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2020-07-06 7:06 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " NeilBrown
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2020-07-06 7:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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2020-07-06 12:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
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2020-07-06 12:59 ` Joe Perches
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2020-07-06 13:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
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