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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] module: Rename module_alloc() to text_alloc() and move to kernel proper
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:11:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200714121159.GD1463346@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200714103333.GB1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:33:33AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux admin wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 01:17:22PM +0300, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 12:53, Jarkko Sakkinen
> > <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:49:48PM +0300, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > This patch suggests that there are other reasons why conflating
> > > > allocation of module space and allocating  text pages for other uses
> > > > is a bad idea, but switching all users to text_alloc() is a step in
> > > > the wrong direction. It would be better to stop using module_alloc()
> > > > in core code except in the module loader, and have a generic
> > > > text_alloc() that can be overridden by the arch if necessary. Note
> > > > that x86  and s390 are the only architectures that use module_alloc()
> > > > in ftrace code.
> > >
> > > This series essentially does this: introduces text_alloc() and
> > > text_memfree(), which have generic implementations in kernel/text.c.
> > > Those can be overriddent by arch specific implementations.
> > >
> > > What you think should be done differently than in my patch set?
> > >
> > 
> > On arm64, module_alloc is only used by the module loader, and so
> > pulling it out and renaming it will cause unused code to be
> > incorporated into the kernel when building without module support,
> > which is the use case you claim to be addressing.
> > 
> > Module_alloc has semantics that are intimately tied to the module
> > loader, but over the years, it ended up being (ab)used by other
> > subsystems, which don't require those semantics but just need n pages
> > of vmalloc space with executable permissions.
> > 
> > So the correct approach is to make text_alloc() implement just that,
> > generically, and switch bpf etc to use it. Then, only on architectures
> > that need it, override it with an implementation that has the required
> > additional semantics.
> > 
> > Refactoring 10+ architectures like this without any regard for how
> > text_alloc() deviates from module_alloc() just creates a lot of churn
> > that others will have to clean up after you.
> 
> For 32-bit ARM, our bpf code uses "blx/bx" (or equivalent code
> sequences) rather than encoding a "bl" or "b", so BPF there doesn't
> care where the executable memory is mapped, and doesn't need any
> PLTs.  Given that, should bpf always allocate from the vmalloc()
> region to preserve the module space for modules?

Most of the allocators use __vmalloc_node_range() but arch/nios2
uses just plain kmalloc():

/*
 * Modules should NOT be allocated with kmalloc for (obvious) reasons.
 * But we do it for now to avoid relocation issues. CALL26/PCREL26 cannot reach
 * from 0x80000000 (vmalloc area) to 0xc00000000 (kernel) (kmalloc returns
 * addresses in 0xc0000000)
 */
void *module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	if (size == 0)
		return NULL;
	return kmalloc(size, GFP_KERNEL);
}

Also consider arch/x86 module_alloc():

void *module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	void *p;

	if (PAGE_ALIGN(size) > MODULES_LEN)
		return NULL;

	p = __vmalloc_node_range(size, MODULE_ALIGN,
				    MODULES_VADDR + get_module_load_offset(),
				    MODULES_END, GFP_KERNEL,
				    PAGE_KERNEL, 0, NUMA_NO_NODE,
				    __builtin_return_address(0));
	if (p && (kasan_module_alloc(p, size) < 0)) {
		vfree(p);
		return NULL;
	}

	return p;
}

The generic version is

void * __weak module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	return __vmalloc_node_range(size, 1, VMALLOC_START, VMALLOC_END,
			GFP_KERNEL, PAGE_KERNEL_EXEC, VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS,
			NUMA_NO_NODE, __builtin_return_address(0));
}

There is quite a lot of divergence from the generic version.

However, in other arch's it's mostly just divergence in vmalloc()
parameters and not as radical as in x86.

I could probably limit the total havoc to just nios2 and x86 if there
is a set of vmalloc parameters that work for all arch's. Then there
could be kernel/text.c and re-implementations for x86 and nios2.

I'm all for having separate text_alloc() and text_memfree() if these
issues can be somehow sorted out.

/Jarkko

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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>, Zong Li <zong.li@sifive.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Paul Burton <paulburton@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Whitchurch <vincent.whitchurch@axis.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Philipp Rudo <prudo@linux.ibm.com>, Torsten Duwe <duwe@lst.de>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Vincent Chen <deanbo422@gmail.com>,
	"open list:S390" <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Anil S Keshavamurthy <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
	Iurii Zaikin <yzaikin@google.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@fb.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"moderated list:ARM PORT" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Daniel Axtens <dja@axtens.net>,
	Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@wdc.com>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.ibm.com>,
	Ley Foon Tan <ley.foon.tan@intel.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mao Han <han_mao@c-sky.com>, Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Babu Moger <Babu.Moger@amd.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Greentime Hu <green.hu@gmail.com>,
	Ben Dooks <ben-linux@fluff.org>, Guan Xuetao <gxt@pku.edu.cn>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	"open list:PARISC ARCHITECTURE" <linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	"open list:BPF JIT for MIPS \(32-BIT AND 64-BIT\)"
	<bpf@vger.kernel.org>, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Thiago Jung Bauermann <bauerman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"open list:SPARC + UltraSPARC \(sparc/sparc64\)"
	<sparclinux@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sandipan Das <sandipan@linux.ibm.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Amit Daniel Kachhap <amit.kachhap@arm.com>,
	Tiezhu Yang <yangtiezhu@loongson.cn>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Anders Roxell <anders.roxell@linaro.org>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@stackframe.org>,
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	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
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	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC \(32-BIT AND 64-BIT\)"
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] module: Rename module_alloc() to text_alloc() and move to kernel proper
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:11:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200714121159.GD1463346@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200714103333.GB1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:33:33AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux admin wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 01:17:22PM +0300, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 12:53, Jarkko Sakkinen
> > <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:49:48PM +0300, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > This patch suggests that there are other reasons why conflating
> > > > allocation of module space and allocating  text pages for other uses
> > > > is a bad idea, but switching all users to text_alloc() is a step in
> > > > the wrong direction. It would be better to stop using module_alloc()
> > > > in core code except in the module loader, and have a generic
> > > > text_alloc() that can be overridden by the arch if necessary. Note
> > > > that x86  and s390 are the only architectures that use module_alloc()
> > > > in ftrace code.
> > >
> > > This series essentially does this: introduces text_alloc() and
> > > text_memfree(), which have generic implementations in kernel/text.c.
> > > Those can be overriddent by arch specific implementations.
> > >
> > > What you think should be done differently than in my patch set?
> > >
> > 
> > On arm64, module_alloc is only used by the module loader, and so
> > pulling it out and renaming it will cause unused code to be
> > incorporated into the kernel when building without module support,
> > which is the use case you claim to be addressing.
> > 
> > Module_alloc has semantics that are intimately tied to the module
> > loader, but over the years, it ended up being (ab)used by other
> > subsystems, which don't require those semantics but just need n pages
> > of vmalloc space with executable permissions.
> > 
> > So the correct approach is to make text_alloc() implement just that,
> > generically, and switch bpf etc to use it. Then, only on architectures
> > that need it, override it with an implementation that has the required
> > additional semantics.
> > 
> > Refactoring 10+ architectures like this without any regard for how
> > text_alloc() deviates from module_alloc() just creates a lot of churn
> > that others will have to clean up after you.
> 
> For 32-bit ARM, our bpf code uses "blx/bx" (or equivalent code
> sequences) rather than encoding a "bl" or "b", so BPF there doesn't
> care where the executable memory is mapped, and doesn't need any
> PLTs.  Given that, should bpf always allocate from the vmalloc()
> region to preserve the module space for modules?

Most of the allocators use __vmalloc_node_range() but arch/nios2
uses just plain kmalloc():

/*
 * Modules should NOT be allocated with kmalloc for (obvious) reasons.
 * But we do it for now to avoid relocation issues. CALL26/PCREL26 cannot reach
 * from 0x80000000 (vmalloc area) to 0xc00000000 (kernel) (kmalloc returns
 * addresses in 0xc0000000)
 */
void *module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	if (size == 0)
		return NULL;
	return kmalloc(size, GFP_KERNEL);
}

Also consider arch/x86 module_alloc():

void *module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	void *p;

	if (PAGE_ALIGN(size) > MODULES_LEN)
		return NULL;

	p = __vmalloc_node_range(size, MODULE_ALIGN,
				    MODULES_VADDR + get_module_load_offset(),
				    MODULES_END, GFP_KERNEL,
				    PAGE_KERNEL, 0, NUMA_NO_NODE,
				    __builtin_return_address(0));
	if (p && (kasan_module_alloc(p, size) < 0)) {
		vfree(p);
		return NULL;
	}

	return p;
}

The generic version is

void * __weak module_alloc(unsigned long size)
{
	return __vmalloc_node_range(size, 1, VMALLOC_START, VMALLOC_END,
			GFP_KERNEL, PAGE_KERNEL_EXEC, VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS,
			NUMA_NO_NODE, __builtin_return_address(0));
}

There is quite a lot of divergence from the generic version.

However, in other arch's it's mostly just divergence in vmalloc()
parameters and not as radical as in x86.

I could probably limit the total havoc to just nios2 and x86 if there
is a set of vmalloc parameters that work for all arch's. Then there
could be kernel/text.c and re-implementations for x86 and nios2.

I'm all for having separate text_alloc() and text_memfree() if these
issues can be somehow sorted out.

/Jarkko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-14 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-13 18:19 [PATCH 1/3] module: Rename module_alloc() to text_alloc() and move to kernel proper Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-13 18:19 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-13 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] module: Add lock_modules() and unlock_modules() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-13 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] kprobes: Flag out CONFIG_MODULES dependent code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-13 18:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] module: Rename module_alloc() to text_alloc() and move to kernel proper Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-13 18:34   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-14  9:49   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14  9:49     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14  9:53     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-14  9:53       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-14 11:43       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14 11:43         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-13 19:49 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-13 19:49   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-14  2:04   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-14  2:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-14  6:35     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-14  6:35       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-14  9:52   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14  9:52     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14 10:17     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-14 10:17       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-07-14 10:33       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-14 10:33         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-14 11:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-14 11:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-14 12:11         ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-07-14 12:11           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14 11:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-14 11:55         ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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