From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Mani, Rajmohan" <rajmohan.mani@intel.com>
Cc: "Heikki Krogerus" <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@infradead.org>,
"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
"Lee Jones" <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
"Ayman Bagabas" <ayman.bagabas@gmail.com>,
"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
"Joseph, Jithu" <jithu.joseph@intel.com>,
"Blaž Hrastnik" <blaz@mxxn.io>,
"Srinivas Pandruvada" <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org"
<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-usb@vger.kernel.org" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
"pmalani@chromium.org" <pmalani@chromium.org>,
"bleung@chromium.org" <bleung@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] platform/x86: Add Intel Input Output Manager (IOM) driver
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 08:27:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200829062719.GA80106@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB3963228D43B50604AE4D0F3AF6520@DM6PR11MB3963.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 03:20:22PM +0000, Mani, Rajmohan wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] platform/x86: Add Intel Input Output Manager
> > (IOM) driver
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 09:43:59AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > I still find this crazy that a whole separate driver is created just
> > > to read a single 32bit value.
> > >
> > > Why not put this logic in the driver that wants to read that value?
> > > That would be much simpler, smaller, and more obvious.
> >
> > That would mean that we start maintaining something like DMI quirk table in
> > those drivers. Unfortunately the IOM device is not available on every platform.
> > Also, even on platforms that do have it, there is no guarantee that the device is
> > always going to be mapped to the same address.
> >
> > Nevertheless, I was originally hoping that we could hide the handling of IOM
> > somehow in ACPI without the need for an actual device object, but it now
> > turns out that the other features of the IOM chip have created interest. At
> > least our i915 guys probable have some use for it (I don't know exactly what
> > they are planning to use it for).
> >
> > So the fact that we may later need the device for something else, on top of the
> > clumsiness and most importantly risks involved with using ACPI to take care of
> > extra tasks (ASL tends to have bugs - bugs that may never ever get fixed), I
> > think the IOM device object, and the driver that binds to it, do have a valid
> > reason for existing.
> >
>
> Intel PMC USB mux device is part of the PCH, while IOM is part of the SoC.
I have no idea what a "PCH" is, what "IOM" is, and how any of this
relates to a "SoC" :)
Don't impose arbritrary hardware "splits" to kernel code when the kernel
has no such "partitioning" please.
> This was another reason we had to have a separate ACPI device.
That sounds like a firmware issue you can solve in UEFI.
I think this is the most TLA-laden email I have ever written, and I used
to work at IBM :)
greg k-h
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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Mani, Rajmohan" <rajmohan.mani@intel.com>
Cc: "Heikki Krogerus" <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@infradead.org>,
"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
"Lee Jones" <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
"Ayman Bagabas" <ayman.bagabas@gmail.com>,
"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
"Joseph, Jithu" <jithu.joseph@intel.com>,
"Blaž Hrastnik" <blaz@mxxn.io>,
"Srinivas Pandruvada" <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org"
<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-usb@vger.kernel.org" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
"pmalani@chromium.org" <pmalani@chromium.org>,
"bleung@chromium.org" <bleung@chromium.o>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] platform/x86: Add Intel Input Output Manager (IOM) driver
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 08:27:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200829062719.GA80106@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB3963228D43B50604AE4D0F3AF6520@DM6PR11MB3963.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 03:20:22PM +0000, Mani, Rajmohan wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] platform/x86: Add Intel Input Output Manager
> > (IOM) driver
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 09:43:59AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > I still find this crazy that a whole separate driver is created just
> > > to read a single 32bit value.
> > >
> > > Why not put this logic in the driver that wants to read that value?
> > > That would be much simpler, smaller, and more obvious.
> >
> > That would mean that we start maintaining something like DMI quirk table in
> > those drivers. Unfortunately the IOM device is not available on every platform.
> > Also, even on platforms that do have it, there is no guarantee that the device is
> > always going to be mapped to the same address.
> >
> > Nevertheless, I was originally hoping that we could hide the handling of IOM
> > somehow in ACPI without the need for an actual device object, but it now
> > turns out that the other features of the IOM chip have created interest. At
> > least our i915 guys probable have some use for it (I don't know exactly what
> > they are planning to use it for).
> >
> > So the fact that we may later need the device for something else, on top of the
> > clumsiness and most importantly risks involved with using ACPI to take care of
> > extra tasks (ASL tends to have bugs - bugs that may never ever get fixed), I
> > think the IOM device object, and the driver that binds to it, do have a valid
> > reason for existing.
> >
>
> Intel PMC USB mux device is part of the PCH, while IOM is part of the SoC.
I have no idea what a "PCH" is, what "IOM" is, and how any of this
relates to a "SoC" :)
Don't impose arbritrary hardware "splits" to kernel code when the kernel
has no such "partitioning" please.
> This was another reason we had to have a separate ACPI device.
That sounds like a firmware issue you can solve in UEFI.
I think this is the most TLA-laden email I have ever written, and I used
to work at IBM :)
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-29 6:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-22 4:05 [PATCH v2 0/3] Add Intel Input Output Manager driver Rajmohan Mani
2020-08-22 4:05 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] platform/x86: Add Intel Input Output Manager (IOM) driver Rajmohan Mani
2020-08-22 9:56 ` Prashant Malani
2020-08-22 9:56 ` Prashant Malani
2020-08-24 22:19 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-24 22:19 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-24 22:47 ` Prashant Malani
2020-08-24 22:47 ` Prashant Malani
2020-08-25 1:03 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-25 1:03 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-28 7:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-08-28 9:08 ` Heikki Krogerus
2020-08-28 10:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-08-28 11:55 ` Heikki Krogerus
2020-08-28 11:55 ` Heikki Krogerus
2020-08-28 15:21 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-28 15:21 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-28 15:20 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-28 15:20 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-29 6:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2020-08-29 6:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-08-31 21:40 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-31 21:40 ` Mani, Rajmohan
2020-08-22 4:05 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] usb: typec: intel_pmc_mux: Check the port status before connect Rajmohan Mani
2020-08-22 4:05 ` Rajmohan Mani
2020-08-22 4:05 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] usb: typec: intel_pmc_mux: Support for device role (UFP) Rajmohan Mani
2020-08-22 4:05 ` Rajmohan Mani
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