From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>,
Balbir Singh <sblbir@amazon.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org, linux-safety@lists.elisa.tech
Subject: Re: [PATCH -next for tip:x86/pti] x86/tlb: drop unneeded local vars in enable_l1d_flush_for_task()
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 18:35:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200930183552.GG2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87blhni1pg.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 08:00:59PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30 2020 at 19:03, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 05:40:08PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Also, that preempt_disable() in there doesn't actually do anything.
> > Worse, preempt_disable(); for_each_cpu(); is an anti-pattern. It mixes
> > static_cpu_has() and boot_cpu_has() in the same bloody condition and has
> > a pointless ret variable.
Also, I forgot to add, it accesses ->cpus_mask without the proper
locking, so it could be reading intermediate state from whatever cpumask
operation that's in progress.
> I absolutely agree and I really missed it when looking at it before
> merging. cpus_read_lock()/unlock() is the right thing to do if at all.
>
> > It's shoddy code, that only works if you align the planets right. We
> > really shouldn't provide interfaces that are this bad.
> >
> > It's correct operation is only by accident.
>
> True :(
>
> I understand Balbirs problem and it makes some sense to provide a
> solution. We can:
>
> 1) reject set_affinity() if the task has that flush muck enabled
> and user space tries to move it to a SMT enabled core
>
> 2) disable the muck if if detects that it is runs on a SMT enabled
> core suddenly (hotplug says hello)
>
> This one is nasty because there is no feedback to user space
> about the wreckage.
That's and, right, not or. because 1) deals with sched_setffinity()
and 2) deals wit hotplug.
Now 1) requires an arch hook in sched_setaffinity(), something I'm not
keen on providing, once we provide it, who knows what strange and
wonderful things archs will dream up.
And 2) also happens on hot-un-plug, when the task's affinity gets
forced because it became empty. No user feedback there either, and
information is lost.
I suppose we can do 2) but send a signal. That would cover all cases and
keep it in arch code. But yes, that's pretty terrible too.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>,
Balbir Singh <sblbir@amazon.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org, linux-safety@lists.elisa.tech
Subject: Re: [PATCH -next for tip:x86/pti] x86/tlb: drop unneeded local vars in enable_l1d_flush_for_task()
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 20:35:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200930183552.GG2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87blhni1pg.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 08:00:59PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30 2020 at 19:03, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 05:40:08PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Also, that preempt_disable() in there doesn't actually do anything.
> > Worse, preempt_disable(); for_each_cpu(); is an anti-pattern. It mixes
> > static_cpu_has() and boot_cpu_has() in the same bloody condition and has
> > a pointless ret variable.
Also, I forgot to add, it accesses ->cpus_mask without the proper
locking, so it could be reading intermediate state from whatever cpumask
operation that's in progress.
> I absolutely agree and I really missed it when looking at it before
> merging. cpus_read_lock()/unlock() is the right thing to do if at all.
>
> > It's shoddy code, that only works if you align the planets right. We
> > really shouldn't provide interfaces that are this bad.
> >
> > It's correct operation is only by accident.
>
> True :(
>
> I understand Balbirs problem and it makes some sense to provide a
> solution. We can:
>
> 1) reject set_affinity() if the task has that flush muck enabled
> and user space tries to move it to a SMT enabled core
>
> 2) disable the muck if if detects that it is runs on a SMT enabled
> core suddenly (hotplug says hello)
>
> This one is nasty because there is no feedback to user space
> about the wreckage.
That's and, right, not or. because 1) deals with sched_setffinity()
and 2) deals wit hotplug.
Now 1) requires an arch hook in sched_setaffinity(), something I'm not
keen on providing, once we provide it, who knows what strange and
wonderful things archs will dream up.
And 2) also happens on hot-un-plug, when the task's affinity gets
forced because it became empty. No user feedback there either, and
information is lost.
I suppose we can do 2) but send a signal. That would cover all cases and
keep it in arch code. But yes, that's pretty terrible too.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-30 18:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-28 12:44 [PATCH -next for tip:x86/pti] x86/tlb: drop unneeded local vars in enable_l1d_flush_for_task() Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-28 12:44 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-28 20:43 ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-09-28 20:43 ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-09-29 7:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-29 7:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-29 8:33 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-29 8:33 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-29 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-29 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 15:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 15:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 16:53 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-30 16:53 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2020-09-30 17:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 17:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 18:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 18:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-09-30 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 21:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 21:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-30 22:59 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-09-30 22:59 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-09-30 23:49 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-09-30 23:49 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-10-01 0:48 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-10-01 0:48 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-10-01 8:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-01 8:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-01 8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-01 8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 22:46 ` Singh, Balbir
2020-09-30 22:46 ` Singh, Balbir
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