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From: Mathieu Poirier <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Suzuki Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Sai Prakash Ranjan <saiprakash.ranjan@codeaurora.org>,
	Mike Leach <mike.leach@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	coresight@lists.linaro.org, Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/4] coresight: tmc-etf: Fix NULL ptr dereference in tmc_enable_etf_sink_perf()
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:37:29 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201023203729.GA819775@xps15> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201023134416.GA2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:44:16PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 02:29:54PM +0100, Suzuki Poulose wrote:
> > On 10/23/20 2:16 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 01:56:47PM +0100, Suzuki Poulose wrote:
> 
> > > > That way another session could use the same sink if it is free. i.e
> > > > 
> > > > perf record -e cs_etm/@sink0/u --per-thread app1
> > > > 
> > > > and
> > > > 
> > > > perf record -e cs_etm/@sink0/u --per-thread app2
> > > > 
> > > > both can work as long as the sink is not used by the other session.
> > > 
> > > Like said above, if sink is shared between CPUs, that's going to be a
> > > trainwreck :/ Why do you want that?
> > 
> > That ship has sailed. That is how the current generation of systems are,
> > unfortunately. But as I said, this is changing and there are guidelines
> > in place to avoid these kind of topologies. With the future
> > technologies, this will be completely gone.
> 
> I understand that the hardware is like that, but why do you want to
> support this insanity in software?
> 
> If you only allow a single sink user (group) at the same time, your
> problem goes away. Simply disallow the above scenario, do not allow
> concurrent sink users if sinks are shared like this.
> 
> Have the perf-record of app2 above fail because the sink is in-user
> already.

I agree with you that --per-thread scenarios are easy to deal with, but to
support cpu-wide scenarios events must share a sink (because there is one event
per CPU).  CPU-wide support can't be removed because it has been around
for close to a couple of years and heavily used. I also think using the pid of
the process that created the events, i.e perf, is a good idea.  We just need to
agree on how to gain access to it.

In Sai's patch you objected to the following:

> +     struct task_struct *task = READ_ONCE(event->owner);
> +
> +     if (!task || is_kernel_event(event))

Would it be better to use task_nr_pid(current) instead of event->owner?  The end
result will be exactly the same.  There is also no need to check the validity of
@current since it is a user process.

Thanks,
Mathieu 

[1]. https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/kernel/events/core.c#L6170

> 
> Only if the hardware has per-CPU sinks can you allow this.

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From: Mathieu Poirier <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Sai Prakash Ranjan <saiprakash.ranjan@codeaurora.org>,
	Suzuki Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Mike Leach <mike.leach@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/4] coresight: tmc-etf: Fix NULL ptr dereference in tmc_enable_etf_sink_perf()
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:37:29 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201023203729.GA819775@xps15> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201023134416.GA2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:44:16PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 02:29:54PM +0100, Suzuki Poulose wrote:
> > On 10/23/20 2:16 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 01:56:47PM +0100, Suzuki Poulose wrote:
> 
> > > > That way another session could use the same sink if it is free. i.e
> > > > 
> > > > perf record -e cs_etm/@sink0/u --per-thread app1
> > > > 
> > > > and
> > > > 
> > > > perf record -e cs_etm/@sink0/u --per-thread app2
> > > > 
> > > > both can work as long as the sink is not used by the other session.
> > > 
> > > Like said above, if sink is shared between CPUs, that's going to be a
> > > trainwreck :/ Why do you want that?
> > 
> > That ship has sailed. That is how the current generation of systems are,
> > unfortunately. But as I said, this is changing and there are guidelines
> > in place to avoid these kind of topologies. With the future
> > technologies, this will be completely gone.
> 
> I understand that the hardware is like that, but why do you want to
> support this insanity in software?
> 
> If you only allow a single sink user (group) at the same time, your
> problem goes away. Simply disallow the above scenario, do not allow
> concurrent sink users if sinks are shared like this.
> 
> Have the perf-record of app2 above fail because the sink is in-user
> already.

I agree with you that --per-thread scenarios are easy to deal with, but to
support cpu-wide scenarios events must share a sink (because there is one event
per CPU).  CPU-wide support can't be removed because it has been around
for close to a couple of years and heavily used. I also think using the pid of
the process that created the events, i.e perf, is a good idea.  We just need to
agree on how to gain access to it.

In Sai's patch you objected to the following:

> +     struct task_struct *task = READ_ONCE(event->owner);
> +
> +     if (!task || is_kernel_event(event))

Would it be better to use task_nr_pid(current) instead of event->owner?  The end
result will be exactly the same.  There is also no need to check the validity of
@current since it is a user process.

Thanks,
Mathieu 

[1]. https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/kernel/events/core.c#L6170

> 
> Only if the hardware has per-CPU sinks can you allow this.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-23 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-22 10:57 [PATCHv2 0/4] coresight: etf/etb10/etr: Fix NULL pointer dereference crashes Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57 ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57 ` [PATCHv2 1/4] perf/core: Export is_kernel_event() Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-31  7:35   ` kernel test robot
2020-10-22 10:57 ` [PATCHv2 2/4] coresight: tmc-etf: Fix NULL ptr dereference in tmc_enable_etf_sink_perf() Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 11:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 11:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 12:49     ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 12:49       ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 13:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 13:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 14:23         ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 14:23           ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 13:30     ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-22 13:30       ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-22 15:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 15:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 15:32         ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-22 15:32           ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-22 21:20           ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-22 21:20             ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-23  7:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23  7:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23  8:49               ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23  8:49                 ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 10:49                   ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 10:49                     ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23  9:41                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23  9:41                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 10:34                   ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 10:34                     ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 10:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 10:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 12:56                       ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 12:56                         ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 13:16                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:29                           ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 13:29                             ` Suzuki Poulose
2020-10-23 13:44                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:44                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 20:37                               ` Mathieu Poirier [this message]
2020-10-23 20:37                                 ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-30  7:59                                 ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-30  7:59                                   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-30 16:48                                   ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-30 16:48                                     ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-30 17:26                                     ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-30 17:26                                       ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-11-04 17:03                                       ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-11-04 17:03                                         ` Mathieu Poirier
2020-10-22 10:57 ` [PATCHv2 3/4] coresight: etb10: Fix possible NULL ptr dereference in etb_enable_perf() Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57 ` [PATCHv2 4/4] coresight: tmc-etr: Fix possible NULL ptr dereference in get_perf_etr_buf_cpu_wide() Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 10:57   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 11:10 ` [PATCHv2 0/4] coresight: etf/etb10/etr: Fix NULL pointer dereference crashes Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 11:10   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 11:23   ` Sai Prakash Ranjan
2020-10-22 11:23     ` Sai Prakash Ranjan

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