From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
Cc: Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>,
Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
David Spickett <david.spickett@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 7/8] signal: define the field siginfo.si_faultflags
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 18:23:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201104182318.GH28902@gaia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMn1gO71zhxp692t6GKCRazNb-cF45OcdUSUjavzHZUki6VpiA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 10:39:52AM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 08:09:43PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > > This field will contain flags that may be used by signal handlers to
> > > determine whether other fields in the _sigfault portion of siginfo are
> > > valid. An example use case is the following patch, which introduces
> > > the si_addr_tag_bits{,_mask} fields.
> > >
> > > A new sigcontext flag, SA_FAULTFLAGS, is introduced in order to allow
> > > a signal handler to require the kernel to set the field (but note
> > > that the field will be set anyway if the kernel supports the flag,
> > > regardless of its value). In combination with the previous patches,
> > > this allows a userspace program to determine whether the kernel will
> > > set the field.
> >
> > As per patch 5, a user is supposed to call sigaction() twice to figure
> > out whether _faultflags is meaningful. That's the part I'm not
> > particularly fond of. Are the unused parts of siginfo always zeroed when
> > the kernel delivers a signal? If yes, we could simply check the new
> > field for non-zero bits.
>
> The unused parts of siginfo are zeroed in current kernels, but
> unfortunately not in older kernels. The zeroing behavior was
> introduced in commit c999b933faa5e281e3af2e110eccaf91698b0a81 which
> first appeared in kernel version 4.18, and at least in Android land we
> do need to support kernel versions older than that.
I see. I was hoping for an easy way out.
Now, with always populating the si_faultflags field, you are going back
to writing non-zero stuff in siginfo for unaware apps. I don't think
that's an issue (the alternative is to only write it of SA_FAULTFLAGS
was set).
Yet another option would be to pass a new AT_ZEROED_SI via AT_FLAGS (we
don't use them for anything) so that the user can infer whether
si_faultflags has meaningful information without two sigaction() calls.
> > > It is possible for an si_faultflags-unaware program to cause a signal
> > > handler in an si_faultflags-aware program to be called with a provided
> > > siginfo data structure by using one of the following syscalls:
> > >
> > > - ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO)
> > > - pidfd_send_signal
> > > - rt_sigqueueinfo
> > > - rt_tgsigqueueinfo
> > >
> > > So we need to prevent the si_faultflags-unaware program from causing an
> > > uninitialized read of si_faultflags in the si_faultflags-aware program when
> > > it uses one of these syscalls.
> > >
> > > The last three cases can be handled by observing that each of these
> > > syscalls fails if si_code >= 0. We also observe that kill(2) and
> > > tgkill(2) may be used to send a signal where si_code == 0 (SI_USER),
> > > so we define si_faultflags to only be valid if si_code > 0.
> > >
> > > There is no such check on si_code in ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO), so
> > > we make ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO) clear the si_faultflags field if it
> > > detects that the signal would use the _sigfault layout, and introduce
> > > a new ptrace request type, PTRACE_SETSIGINFO2, that a si_faultflags-aware
> > > program may use to opt out of this behavior.
> >
> > I find this pretty fragile but maybe I have to read it a few more times
> > to fully understand the implications ;).
> >
> > Could we instead copy all the fields, potentially uninitialised, and
> > instead filter them when delivering the signal based on the
> > SA_FAULTFLAGS? That means that the kernel only writes si_faultflags if
> > the user requested it.
>
> I don't see how that would help. The goal is to protect new signal
> handlers from old signal "injectors" that will have potentially
> uninitialized data where the si_faultflags field is. The new signal
> handler will have SA_FAULTFLAGS set so that wouldn't prevent the
> signal handler from seeing the uninitialized data.
You are right, it doesn't help if the handler will have set
SA_FAULTFLAGS.
> > > v12:
> > > - Change type of si_xflags to u32 to avoid increasing alignment
> > [...]
> > > diff --git a/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h b/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > index 7aacf9389010..f43778355b77 100644
> > > --- a/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > +++ b/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > @@ -91,7 +91,9 @@ union __sifields {
> > > char _dummy_pkey[__ADDR_BND_PKEY_PAD];
> > > __u32 _pkey;
> > > } _addr_pkey;
> > > + void *_pad[6];
> > > };
> > > + __u32 _faultflags;
> > > } _sigfault;
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't checked the previous discussion on alignment here but
> > don't we already require 64-bit alignment because of other members in
> > the _sigfault union? We already have void * throughout this and with the
> > next patch we just have a gap (unless I miscalculated the offsets).
>
> This is about avoiding increasing alignment on 32-bit platforms.
> Currently the alignment is 4 but a u64 field would bump it to 8.
>
> Unfortunately we can't do much about the gap on 64-bit platforms. This
> was previously a uintptr_t but that would mean that the upper 32 bits
> cannot be used safely on all platforms so we would effectively end up
> with a gap anyway.
We could add a dummy pad on 64-bit. BTW, the tags only make sense on
64-bit hardware, 32-bit doesn't have enough room.
--
Catalin
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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
Cc: Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
David Spickett <david.spickett@linaro.org>,
Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 7/8] signal: define the field siginfo.si_faultflags
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 18:23:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201104182318.GH28902@gaia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMn1gO71zhxp692t6GKCRazNb-cF45OcdUSUjavzHZUki6VpiA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 10:39:52AM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 08:09:43PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > > This field will contain flags that may be used by signal handlers to
> > > determine whether other fields in the _sigfault portion of siginfo are
> > > valid. An example use case is the following patch, which introduces
> > > the si_addr_tag_bits{,_mask} fields.
> > >
> > > A new sigcontext flag, SA_FAULTFLAGS, is introduced in order to allow
> > > a signal handler to require the kernel to set the field (but note
> > > that the field will be set anyway if the kernel supports the flag,
> > > regardless of its value). In combination with the previous patches,
> > > this allows a userspace program to determine whether the kernel will
> > > set the field.
> >
> > As per patch 5, a user is supposed to call sigaction() twice to figure
> > out whether _faultflags is meaningful. That's the part I'm not
> > particularly fond of. Are the unused parts of siginfo always zeroed when
> > the kernel delivers a signal? If yes, we could simply check the new
> > field for non-zero bits.
>
> The unused parts of siginfo are zeroed in current kernels, but
> unfortunately not in older kernels. The zeroing behavior was
> introduced in commit c999b933faa5e281e3af2e110eccaf91698b0a81 which
> first appeared in kernel version 4.18, and at least in Android land we
> do need to support kernel versions older than that.
I see. I was hoping for an easy way out.
Now, with always populating the si_faultflags field, you are going back
to writing non-zero stuff in siginfo for unaware apps. I don't think
that's an issue (the alternative is to only write it of SA_FAULTFLAGS
was set).
Yet another option would be to pass a new AT_ZEROED_SI via AT_FLAGS (we
don't use them for anything) so that the user can infer whether
si_faultflags has meaningful information without two sigaction() calls.
> > > It is possible for an si_faultflags-unaware program to cause a signal
> > > handler in an si_faultflags-aware program to be called with a provided
> > > siginfo data structure by using one of the following syscalls:
> > >
> > > - ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO)
> > > - pidfd_send_signal
> > > - rt_sigqueueinfo
> > > - rt_tgsigqueueinfo
> > >
> > > So we need to prevent the si_faultflags-unaware program from causing an
> > > uninitialized read of si_faultflags in the si_faultflags-aware program when
> > > it uses one of these syscalls.
> > >
> > > The last three cases can be handled by observing that each of these
> > > syscalls fails if si_code >= 0. We also observe that kill(2) and
> > > tgkill(2) may be used to send a signal where si_code == 0 (SI_USER),
> > > so we define si_faultflags to only be valid if si_code > 0.
> > >
> > > There is no such check on si_code in ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO), so
> > > we make ptrace(PTRACE_SETSIGINFO) clear the si_faultflags field if it
> > > detects that the signal would use the _sigfault layout, and introduce
> > > a new ptrace request type, PTRACE_SETSIGINFO2, that a si_faultflags-aware
> > > program may use to opt out of this behavior.
> >
> > I find this pretty fragile but maybe I have to read it a few more times
> > to fully understand the implications ;).
> >
> > Could we instead copy all the fields, potentially uninitialised, and
> > instead filter them when delivering the signal based on the
> > SA_FAULTFLAGS? That means that the kernel only writes si_faultflags if
> > the user requested it.
>
> I don't see how that would help. The goal is to protect new signal
> handlers from old signal "injectors" that will have potentially
> uninitialized data where the si_faultflags field is. The new signal
> handler will have SA_FAULTFLAGS set so that wouldn't prevent the
> signal handler from seeing the uninitialized data.
You are right, it doesn't help if the handler will have set
SA_FAULTFLAGS.
> > > v12:
> > > - Change type of si_xflags to u32 to avoid increasing alignment
> > [...]
> > > diff --git a/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h b/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > index 7aacf9389010..f43778355b77 100644
> > > --- a/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > +++ b/include/uapi/asm-generic/siginfo.h
> > > @@ -91,7 +91,9 @@ union __sifields {
> > > char _dummy_pkey[__ADDR_BND_PKEY_PAD];
> > > __u32 _pkey;
> > > } _addr_pkey;
> > > + void *_pad[6];
> > > };
> > > + __u32 _faultflags;
> > > } _sigfault;
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't checked the previous discussion on alignment here but
> > don't we already require 64-bit alignment because of other members in
> > the _sigfault union? We already have void * throughout this and with the
> > next patch we just have a gap (unless I miscalculated the offsets).
>
> This is about avoiding increasing alignment on 32-bit platforms.
> Currently the alignment is 4 but a u64 field would bump it to 8.
>
> Unfortunately we can't do much about the gap on 64-bit platforms. This
> was previously a uintptr_t but that would mean that the upper 32 bits
> cannot be used safely on all platforms so we would effectively end up
> with a gap anyway.
We could add a dummy pad on 64-bit. BTW, the tags only make sense on
64-bit hardware, 32-bit doesn't have enough room.
--
Catalin
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-03 4:09 [PATCH v13 0/8] arm64: expose FAR_EL1 tag bits in siginfo Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 1/8] parisc: Drop parisc special case for __sighandler_t Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 16:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 16:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 17:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-04 17:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-04 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 18:00 ` Dave Martin
2020-11-04 18:00 ` Dave Martin
2020-11-04 20:46 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 20:46 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 2/8] parisc: start using signal-defs.h Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 18:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 18:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 3/8] arch: move SA_* definitions to generic headers Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 18:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 18:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-04 20:48 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 20:48 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 4/8] signal: clear non-uapi flag bits when passing/returning sa_flags Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 5/8] signal: define the SA_UNSUPPORTED bit in sa_flags Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 6/8] signal: deduplicate code dealing with common _sigfault fields Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 7/8] signal: define the field siginfo.si_faultflags Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 17:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-03 17:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-03 18:39 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 18:39 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 10:57 ` Dave Martin
2020-11-04 10:57 ` Dave Martin
2020-11-04 18:23 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2020-11-04 18:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-04 19:57 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 19:57 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` [PATCH v13 8/8] arm64: expose FAR_EL1 tag bits in siginfo Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 4:09 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 18:33 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-03 18:33 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-03 19:16 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-03 19:16 ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-11-04 17:45 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-04 17:45 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-11-04 18:27 ` Peter Collingbourne
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