From: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
To: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] aarch64: avoid mprotect(PROT_BTI|PROT_EXEC) [BZ #26831]
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:56:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201130155655.GA16045@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1606319495.git.szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
The 11/27/2020 13:19, Szabolcs Nagy via Libc-alpha wrote:
> This is v2 of
> https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2020-November/119305.html
>
> To enable BTI support, re-mmap executable segments instead of
> mprotecting them in case mprotect is seccomp filtered.
>
> I would like linux to change to map the main exe with PROT_BTI when
> that is marked as BTI compatible. From the linux side i heard the
> following concerns about this:
> - it's an ABI change so requires some ABI bump. (this is fine with
> me, i think glibc does not care about backward compat as nothing
> can reasonably rely on the current behaviour, but if we have a
> new bit in auxv or similar then we can save one mprotect call.)
> - in case we discover compatibility issues with user binaries it's
> better if userspace can easily disable BTI (e.g. removing the
> mprotect based on some env var, but if kernel adds PROT_BTI and
> mprotect is filtered then we have no reliable way to remove that
> from executables. this problem already exists for static linked
> exes, although admittedly those are less of a compat concern.)
> - ideally PROT_BTI would be added via a new syscall that does not
> interfere with PROT_EXEC filtering. (this does not conflict with
> the current patches: even with a new syscall we need a fallback.)
> - solve it in systemd (e.g. turn off the filter, use better filter):
> i would prefer not to have aarch64 (or BTI) specific policy in
> user code. and there was no satisfying way to do this portably.
>
> Other concerns about the approach:
> - mmap is more expensive than mprotect: in my measurements using
> mmap instead of mprotect is 3-8x slower (and after mmap pages
> have to be faulted in again), but e.g. the exec time of a program
> with 4 deps only increases by < 8% due to the 4 new mmaps. (the
> kernel side resource usage may increase too, i didnt look at that.)
i tested glibc build time with mprotect vs mmap
which should be exec heavy.
the real time overhead was < 0.2% on a particular
4 core system with linux 5.3 ubuntu kernel, which
i consider to be small.
(used PROT_EXEC without PROT_BTI for the measurement).
> - _dl_signal_error is not valid from the _dl_process_gnu_property
> hook. The v2 set addresses this problem: i could either propagate
> the errors up until they can be handled or solve it in the aarch64
> backend by first recording failures and then dealing with them in
> _dl_open_check. I choose the latter, but did some refactorings in
> _dl_map_object_from_fd that makes the former possible too.
>
> v2:
> - [1/6]: New patch that fixes a missed BTI bug found during v2.
> - [2-3/6]: New, _dl_map_object_from_fd failure handling improvements,
> these are independent of the rest of the series.
> - [4/6]: Move the note handling to a different place (after l_phdr
> setup, but before fd is closed).
> - [5/6]: Rebased.
> - [6/6]: First record errors and only report them later. (this fixes
> various failure handling issues.)
>
> Szabolcs Nagy (6):
> aarch64: Fix missing BTI protection from dependencies [BZ #26926]
> elf: lose is closely tied to _dl_map_object_from_fd
> elf: Fix failure handling in _dl_map_object_from_fd
> elf: Move note processing after l_phdr is updated
> elf: Pass the fd to note processing
> aarch64: Use mmap to add PROT_BTI instead of mprotect [BZ #26831]
>
> elf/dl-load.c | 110 ++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
> elf/rtld.c | 4 +-
> sysdeps/aarch64/dl-bti.c | 74 ++++++++++++++++++-------
> sysdeps/aarch64/dl-prop.h | 14 +++--
> sysdeps/aarch64/linkmap.h | 2 +-
> sysdeps/generic/dl-prop.h | 6 +-
> sysdeps/generic/ldsodefs.h | 5 +-
> sysdeps/x86/dl-prop.h | 6 +-
> 8 files changed, 135 insertions(+), 86 deletions(-)
>
> --
> 2.17.1
>
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
To: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] aarch64: avoid mprotect(PROT_BTI|PROT_EXEC) [BZ #26831]
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:56:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201130155655.GA16045@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1606319495.git.szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
The 11/27/2020 13:19, Szabolcs Nagy via Libc-alpha wrote:
> This is v2 of
> https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2020-November/119305.html
>
> To enable BTI support, re-mmap executable segments instead of
> mprotecting them in case mprotect is seccomp filtered.
>
> I would like linux to change to map the main exe with PROT_BTI when
> that is marked as BTI compatible. From the linux side i heard the
> following concerns about this:
> - it's an ABI change so requires some ABI bump. (this is fine with
> me, i think glibc does not care about backward compat as nothing
> can reasonably rely on the current behaviour, but if we have a
> new bit in auxv or similar then we can save one mprotect call.)
> - in case we discover compatibility issues with user binaries it's
> better if userspace can easily disable BTI (e.g. removing the
> mprotect based on some env var, but if kernel adds PROT_BTI and
> mprotect is filtered then we have no reliable way to remove that
> from executables. this problem already exists for static linked
> exes, although admittedly those are less of a compat concern.)
> - ideally PROT_BTI would be added via a new syscall that does not
> interfere with PROT_EXEC filtering. (this does not conflict with
> the current patches: even with a new syscall we need a fallback.)
> - solve it in systemd (e.g. turn off the filter, use better filter):
> i would prefer not to have aarch64 (or BTI) specific policy in
> user code. and there was no satisfying way to do this portably.
>
> Other concerns about the approach:
> - mmap is more expensive than mprotect: in my measurements using
> mmap instead of mprotect is 3-8x slower (and after mmap pages
> have to be faulted in again), but e.g. the exec time of a program
> with 4 deps only increases by < 8% due to the 4 new mmaps. (the
> kernel side resource usage may increase too, i didnt look at that.)
i tested glibc build time with mprotect vs mmap
which should be exec heavy.
the real time overhead was < 0.2% on a particular
4 core system with linux 5.3 ubuntu kernel, which
i consider to be small.
(used PROT_EXEC without PROT_BTI for the measurement).
> - _dl_signal_error is not valid from the _dl_process_gnu_property
> hook. The v2 set addresses this problem: i could either propagate
> the errors up until they can be handled or solve it in the aarch64
> backend by first recording failures and then dealing with them in
> _dl_open_check. I choose the latter, but did some refactorings in
> _dl_map_object_from_fd that makes the former possible too.
>
> v2:
> - [1/6]: New patch that fixes a missed BTI bug found during v2.
> - [2-3/6]: New, _dl_map_object_from_fd failure handling improvements,
> these are independent of the rest of the series.
> - [4/6]: Move the note handling to a different place (after l_phdr
> setup, but before fd is closed).
> - [5/6]: Rebased.
> - [6/6]: First record errors and only report them later. (this fixes
> various failure handling issues.)
>
> Szabolcs Nagy (6):
> aarch64: Fix missing BTI protection from dependencies [BZ #26926]
> elf: lose is closely tied to _dl_map_object_from_fd
> elf: Fix failure handling in _dl_map_object_from_fd
> elf: Move note processing after l_phdr is updated
> elf: Pass the fd to note processing
> aarch64: Use mmap to add PROT_BTI instead of mprotect [BZ #26831]
>
> elf/dl-load.c | 110 ++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
> elf/rtld.c | 4 +-
> sysdeps/aarch64/dl-bti.c | 74 ++++++++++++++++++-------
> sysdeps/aarch64/dl-prop.h | 14 +++--
> sysdeps/aarch64/linkmap.h | 2 +-
> sysdeps/generic/dl-prop.h | 6 +-
> sysdeps/generic/ldsodefs.h | 5 +-
> sysdeps/x86/dl-prop.h | 6 +-
> 8 files changed, 135 insertions(+), 86 deletions(-)
>
> --
> 2.17.1
>
_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-30 15:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-27 13:19 [PATCH v2 0/6] aarch64: avoid mprotect(PROT_BTI|PROT_EXEC) [BZ #26831] Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:19 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] aarch64: Fix missing BTI protection from dependencies [BZ #26926] Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:19 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-10 17:51 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-10 17:51 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-11 15:33 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-11 15:33 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] elf: lose is closely tied to _dl_map_object_from_fd Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] elf: Fix failure handling in _dl_map_object_from_fd Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-10 18:25 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-10 18:25 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-11 9:32 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-11 9:32 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] elf: Move note processing after l_phdr is updated Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:20 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] elf: Pass the fd to note processing Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:21 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-10 18:35 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-10 18:35 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-11-27 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] aarch64: Use mmap to add PROT_BTI instead of mprotect [BZ #26831] Szabolcs Nagy
2020-11-27 13:21 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-02 8:55 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] aarch64: align address for BTI protection [BZ #26988] Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-02 8:55 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-10 18:49 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-10 18:49 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-02 8:55 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] aarch64: Use mmap to add PROT_BTI instead of mprotect [BZ #26831] Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-02 8:55 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-10 19:12 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-12-10 19:12 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-11-30 15:56 ` Szabolcs Nagy [this message]
2020-11-30 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] aarch64: avoid mprotect(PROT_BTI|PROT_EXEC) " Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-03 17:30 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-03 17:30 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-07 20:03 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-07 20:03 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-12-11 17:46 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-12-11 17:46 ` Catalin Marinas
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20201130155655.GA16045@arm.com \
--to=szabolcs.nagy@arm.com \
--cc=broonie@kernel.org \
--cc=catalin.marinas@arm.com \
--cc=jeremy.linton@arm.com \
--cc=kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com \
--cc=libc-alpha@sourceware.org \
--cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mark.rutland@arm.com \
--cc=toiwoton@gmail.com \
--cc=will@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.