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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: elic@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] vdpa: mandate 1.0 device
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:04:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210409115343-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6a4ab68-c958-7266-c67c-142960222b67@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 12:47:55PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2021/4/8 下午11:59, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 04:26:48PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > This patch mandates 1.0 for vDPA devices. The goal is to have the
> > > semantic of normative statement in the virtio spec and eliminate the
> > > burden of transitional device for both vDPA bus and vDPA parent.
> > > 
> > > uAPI seems fine since all the vDPA parent mandates
> > > VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM which implies 1.0 devices.
> > > 
> > > For legacy guests, it can still work since Qemu will mediate when
> > > necessary (e.g doing the endian conversion).
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > Hmm. If we do this, don't we still have a problem with
> > legacy drivers which don't ack 1.0?
> 
> 
> Yes, but it's not something that is introduced in this commit. The legacy
> driver never work ...

My point is this neither fixes or prevents this.

So my suggestion is to finally add ioctls along the lines
of PROTOCOL_FEATURES of vhost-user.

Then that one can have bits for legacy le, legacy be and modern.

BTW I looked at vhost-user and it does not look like that
has a solution for this problem either, right?


> 
> > Note 1.0 affects ring endianness which is not mediated in QEMU
> > so QEMU can't pretend to device guest is 1.0.
> 
> 
> Right, I plan to send patches to do mediation in the Qemu to unbreak legacy
> drivers.
> 
> Thanks

I frankly think we'll need PROTOCOL_FEATURES anyway, it's too useful ...
so why not teach drivers about it and be done with it? You can't emulate
legacy on modern in a cross endian situation because of vring
endian-ness ...


> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > ---
> > >   include/linux/vdpa.h | 6 ++++++
> > >   1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/vdpa.h b/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > index 0fefeb976877..cfde4ec999b4 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > @@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
> > >   #include <linux/device.h>
> > >   #include <linux/interrupt.h>
> > >   #include <linux/vhost_iotlb.h>
> > > +#include <uapi/linux/virtio_config.h>
> > >   /**
> > >    * vDPA callback definition.
> > > @@ -317,6 +318,11 @@ static inline int vdpa_set_features(struct vdpa_device *vdev, u64 features)
> > >   {
> > >           const struct vdpa_config_ops *ops = vdev->config;
> > > +        /* Mandating 1.0 to have semantics of normative statements in
> > > +         * the spec. */
> > > +        if (!(features & BIT_ULL(VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1)))
> > > +		return -EINVAL;
> > > +
> > >   	vdev->features_valid = true;
> > >           return ops->set_features(vdev, features);
> > >   }
> > > -- 
> > > 2.25.1

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, parav@nvidia.com, elic@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] vdpa: mandate 1.0 device
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:04:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210409115343-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6a4ab68-c958-7266-c67c-142960222b67@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 12:47:55PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2021/4/8 下午11:59, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 04:26:48PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > This patch mandates 1.0 for vDPA devices. The goal is to have the
> > > semantic of normative statement in the virtio spec and eliminate the
> > > burden of transitional device for both vDPA bus and vDPA parent.
> > > 
> > > uAPI seems fine since all the vDPA parent mandates
> > > VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM which implies 1.0 devices.
> > > 
> > > For legacy guests, it can still work since Qemu will mediate when
> > > necessary (e.g doing the endian conversion).
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > Hmm. If we do this, don't we still have a problem with
> > legacy drivers which don't ack 1.0?
> 
> 
> Yes, but it's not something that is introduced in this commit. The legacy
> driver never work ...

My point is this neither fixes or prevents this.

So my suggestion is to finally add ioctls along the lines
of PROTOCOL_FEATURES of vhost-user.

Then that one can have bits for legacy le, legacy be and modern.

BTW I looked at vhost-user and it does not look like that
has a solution for this problem either, right?


> 
> > Note 1.0 affects ring endianness which is not mediated in QEMU
> > so QEMU can't pretend to device guest is 1.0.
> 
> 
> Right, I plan to send patches to do mediation in the Qemu to unbreak legacy
> drivers.
> 
> Thanks

I frankly think we'll need PROTOCOL_FEATURES anyway, it's too useful ...
so why not teach drivers about it and be done with it? You can't emulate
legacy on modern in a cross endian situation because of vring
endian-ness ...


> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > ---
> > >   include/linux/vdpa.h | 6 ++++++
> > >   1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/vdpa.h b/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > index 0fefeb976877..cfde4ec999b4 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/vdpa.h
> > > @@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
> > >   #include <linux/device.h>
> > >   #include <linux/interrupt.h>
> > >   #include <linux/vhost_iotlb.h>
> > > +#include <uapi/linux/virtio_config.h>
> > >   /**
> > >    * vDPA callback definition.
> > > @@ -317,6 +318,11 @@ static inline int vdpa_set_features(struct vdpa_device *vdev, u64 features)
> > >   {
> > >           const struct vdpa_config_ops *ops = vdev->config;
> > > +        /* Mandating 1.0 to have semantics of normative statements in
> > > +         * the spec. */
> > > +        if (!(features & BIT_ULL(VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1)))
> > > +		return -EINVAL;
> > > +
> > >   	vdev->features_valid = true;
> > >           return ops->set_features(vdev, features);
> > >   }
> > > -- 
> > > 2.25.1


  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-09 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-08  8:26 [RFC PATCH] vdpa: mandate 1.0 device Jason Wang
2021-04-08  8:26 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-08 15:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-08 15:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-09  4:47   ` Jason Wang
2021-04-09  4:47     ` Jason Wang
2021-04-09 16:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-04-09 16:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-12  6:35       ` Jason Wang
2021-04-12  6:35         ` Jason Wang
2021-04-12  9:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-12  9:09           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-12  9:23           ` Jason Wang
2021-04-12  9:23             ` Jason Wang
2021-04-21  7:41             ` Jason Wang
2021-04-21  7:41               ` Jason Wang
2021-04-21  8:03               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-21  8:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-21  8:17                 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-21  8:17                   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-11  8:43                   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-11  8:43                     ` Jason Wang
2021-05-12  7:53                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-12  7:53                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-12  9:24                       ` Jason Wang
2021-05-12  9:24                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-02 10:30                         ` Eli Cohen
2021-06-03  7:14                           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-03  7:14                             ` Jason Wang

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