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From: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"J . Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yu Zhang <yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	luto@kernel.org, john.ji@intel.com, susie.li@intel.com,
	jun.nakajima@intel.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	ak@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 01/13] mm/shmem: Introduce F_SEAL_GUEST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:33:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211123143353.GD32088@chaop.bj.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6de78894-8269-ea3a-b4ee-a5cc4dad827e@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:06:02AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 11/19/21 16:39, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > If qmeu can put all the guest memory in a memfd and not map it, then
> > > I'd also like to see that the IOMMU can use this interface too so we
> > > can have VFIO working in this configuration.
> > 
> > In QEMU we usually want to (and must) be able to access guest memory
> > from user space, with the current design we wouldn't even be able to
> > temporarily mmap it -- which makes sense for encrypted memory only. The
> > corner case really is encrypted memory. So I don't think we'll see a
> > broad use of this feature outside of encrypted VMs in QEMU. I might be
> > wrong, most probably I am:)
> 
> It's not _that_ crazy an idea, but it's going to be some work to teach KVM
> that it has to kmap/kunmap around all memory accesses.
> 
> I think it's great that memfd hooks are usable by more than one subsystem,
> OTOH it's fair that whoever needs it does the work---and VFIO does not need
> it for confidential VMs, yet, so it should be fine for now to have a single
> user.
> 
> On the other hand, as I commented already, the lack of locking in the
> register/unregister functions has to be fixed even with a single user.
> Another thing we can do already is change the guest_ops/guest_mem_ops to
> something like memfd_falloc_notifier_ops/memfd_pfn_ops, and the
> register/unregister functions to memfd_register/unregister_falloc_notifier.

I'm satisified with this naming ;)

> 
> Chao, can you also put this under a new CONFIG such as "bool MEMFD_OPS", and
> select it from KVM?

Yes, reasonable.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paolo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	jun.nakajima@intel.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "J . Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	ak@linux.intel.com, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	luto@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	susie.li@intel.com, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, john.ji@intel.com,
	Yu Zhang <yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 01/13] mm/shmem: Introduce F_SEAL_GUEST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:33:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211123143353.GD32088@chaop.bj.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6de78894-8269-ea3a-b4ee-a5cc4dad827e@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:06:02AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 11/19/21 16:39, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > If qmeu can put all the guest memory in a memfd and not map it, then
> > > I'd also like to see that the IOMMU can use this interface too so we
> > > can have VFIO working in this configuration.
> > 
> > In QEMU we usually want to (and must) be able to access guest memory
> > from user space, with the current design we wouldn't even be able to
> > temporarily mmap it -- which makes sense for encrypted memory only. The
> > corner case really is encrypted memory. So I don't think we'll see a
> > broad use of this feature outside of encrypted VMs in QEMU. I might be
> > wrong, most probably I am:)
> 
> It's not _that_ crazy an idea, but it's going to be some work to teach KVM
> that it has to kmap/kunmap around all memory accesses.
> 
> I think it's great that memfd hooks are usable by more than one subsystem,
> OTOH it's fair that whoever needs it does the work---and VFIO does not need
> it for confidential VMs, yet, so it should be fine for now to have a single
> user.
> 
> On the other hand, as I commented already, the lack of locking in the
> register/unregister functions has to be fixed even with a single user.
> Another thing we can do already is change the guest_ops/guest_mem_ops to
> something like memfd_falloc_notifier_ops/memfd_pfn_ops, and the
> register/unregister functions to memfd_register/unregister_falloc_notifier.

I'm satisified with this naming ;)

> 
> Chao, can you also put this under a new CONFIG such as "bool MEMFD_OPS", and
> select it from KVM?

Yes, reasonable.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-23 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-19 13:47 [RFC v2 PATCH 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 01/13] mm/shmem: Introduce F_SEAL_GUEST Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-19 13:51     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 13:59     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-11-22 13:59       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-11-19 15:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 15:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 15:39     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-19 15:39       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-19 16:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 16:00         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22  9:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22  9:26           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 13:31           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 13:31             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 13:35             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 13:35               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 14:01               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 14:01                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 14:57                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 14:57                   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 15:09                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 15:09                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-22 15:15                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 15:15                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-19 19:18       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-19 19:47         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 19:47           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 22:21           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-19 23:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-19 23:33               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-20  1:23               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-21  0:05                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-21  0:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23  9:06       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  9:06         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23 14:33         ` Chao Peng [this message]
2021-11-23 14:33           ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23 15:20         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 15:20           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 17:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 17:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23  8:54   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  8:54     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-03  1:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-03  1:11     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 02/13] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR exit Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 03/13] KVM: Extend kvm_userspace_memory_region to support fd based memslot Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 04/13] KVM: Add fd-based memslot data structure and utils Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23  8:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  8:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23 14:30     ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23 14:30       ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 05/13] KVM: Implement fd-based memory using new memfd interfaces Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 06/13] KVM: Register/unregister memfd backed memslot Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-25 16:55   ` Steven Price
2021-11-25 16:55     ` Steven Price
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 07/13] KVM: Handle page fault for fd based memslot Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-20  1:55   ` Yao Yuan
2021-11-20  1:55     ` Yao Yuan
2021-11-22  9:18     ` Chao Peng
2021-11-22  9:18       ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 08/13] KVM: Rename hva memory invalidation code to cover fd-based offset Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 09/13] KVM: Introduce kvm_memfd_invalidate_range Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23  8:46   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  8:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23 14:24     ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23 14:24       ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 10/13] KVM: Match inode for invalidation of fd-based slot Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 11/13] KVM: Add kvm_map_gfn_range Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 12/13] KVM: Introduce kvm_memfd_fallocate_range Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 13/13] KVM: Enable memfd based page invalidation/fallocate Chao Peng
2021-11-19 13:47   ` Chao Peng
2021-11-22 14:16   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-11-22 14:16     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-11-23  1:06     ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23  1:06       ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23  9:09       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  9:09         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23 15:00         ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23 15:00           ` Chao Peng
2021-11-23  8:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-23  8:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-03  1:08 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Andy Lutomirski
2021-12-03  1:08   ` Andy Lutomirski

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