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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	michael@michaelkloos.com,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: Work to remove kernel dependence on the M-extension
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:18:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220402101801.GA9428@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mhng-3e1f2147-7acb-4dd7-8fce-41ec72def1d7@palmer-ri-x1c9>


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Hi!

> >>That'd be wonderful, but unfortunately we're trending the other way --
> >>we're at the point where "words in the specification have meaning" is
> >>controversial, so trying to talk about which flavors of the
> >>specification are standard is just meaningless.  I obviously hope that
> >>gets sorted out, as we've clearly been pointed straight off a cliff for
> >>a while now, but LMKL isn't the place to have that discussion.  We've
> >>all seen this before, nobody needs to be convinced this leads to a mess.
> >>
> >>Until we get to the point where "I wrote 'RISC-V' on that potato I found
> >>in my couch" can be conclusively determined not compliant with the spec,
> >>it's just silly to try and talk about what is.
> >
> >I would argue that codifying the required extensions through kernel source
> 
> The problem here isn't the required extensions, it's that vendors can claim
> to implement an extension on hardware that doesn't exhibit any of the
> behavior the specification expresses that systems with those extensions must
> have.  The D1 is a very concrete example of this.

Sounds like someone interested should make a webpage listing available
CPUs that claim RISC-V compatibility but far short of advertised
claims?

I'd like to get RISC-V board to play with sometime soon, and some help
in what board to get would be welcome...

Best regards,
								Pavel
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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	michael@michaelkloos.com,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: Work to remove kernel dependence on the M-extension
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:18:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220402101801.GA9428@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mhng-3e1f2147-7acb-4dd7-8fce-41ec72def1d7@palmer-ri-x1c9>

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Hi!

> >>That'd be wonderful, but unfortunately we're trending the other way --
> >>we're at the point where "words in the specification have meaning" is
> >>controversial, so trying to talk about which flavors of the
> >>specification are standard is just meaningless.  I obviously hope that
> >>gets sorted out, as we've clearly been pointed straight off a cliff for
> >>a while now, but LMKL isn't the place to have that discussion.  We've
> >>all seen this before, nobody needs to be convinced this leads to a mess.
> >>
> >>Until we get to the point where "I wrote 'RISC-V' on that potato I found
> >>in my couch" can be conclusively determined not compliant with the spec,
> >>it's just silly to try and talk about what is.
> >
> >I would argue that codifying the required extensions through kernel source
> 
> The problem here isn't the required extensions, it's that vendors can claim
> to implement an extension on hardware that doesn't exhibit any of the
> behavior the specification expresses that systems with those extensions must
> have.  The D1 is a very concrete example of this.

Sounds like someone interested should make a webpage listing available
CPUs that claim RISC-V compatibility but far short of advertised
claims?

I'd like to get RISC-V board to play with sometime soon, and some help
in what board to get would be welcome...

Best regards,
								Pavel
-- 
People of Russia, stop Putin before his war on Ukraine escalates.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-02 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-09  5:28 [PATCH] riscv: Work to remove kernel dependence on the M-extension Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-09  5:28 ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-09 10:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-09 10:02   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-09 11:43   ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-09 11:43     ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-09 11:47     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-09 11:47       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-10  7:34   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-10  7:34     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-10  7:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-10  7:54       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-10 17:09       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-10 17:09         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-04-02 10:18         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2022-04-02 10:18           ` Pavel Machek
2022-03-10  7:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10  7:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10  7:34   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-10  7:34     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-10  8:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10  8:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10  9:31     ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-10  9:31       ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-10 13:22       ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-10 13:22         ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-10 13:37         ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-10 13:37           ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-11  4:29           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-11  4:29             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-03-11  4:54             ` Michael T. Kloos
2022-03-11  4:54               ` Michael T. Kloos

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