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From: Vincent Whitchurch <vincent.whitchurch@axis.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v1 08/10] iio: light: vcnl4000: add roadtest
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:20:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220414102033.GA13937@axis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220406140816.000038ce@Huawei.com>

On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:08:16PM +0200, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 15:48:05 +0200
> Vincent Whitchurch <vincent.whitchurch@axis.com> wrote:
> I messed around the other day with writing tests for
> drivers/staging/iio/cdc/ad7746.c and wasn't "too bad" and was useful for
> verifying some refactoring (and identified a possible precision problem
> in some integer approximation of floating point calcs)

Good to hear!

> I'll try and find time to flesh that test set out more in the near future and
> post it so you can see how bad my python is. It amused my wife if nothing
> else :)
> 
> However a future project is to see if I can use this to hook up the SPDM
> attestation stack via mctp over i2c - just because I like to live dangerously :)
> 
> For IIO use more generally we need a sensible path to SPI (and also platform
> drivers).

I have SPI working now.  I was able to do this without patching the
kernel by have the Python code emulate an SC18IS602 I2C-SPI bridge which
has an existing driver.  There is a limitation of 200 bytes per
transaction (in the SC18IS602 driver/chip) so not all SPI drivers will
work, but many will, and the underlying backend can be changed later
without having to change the test cases.  I used this to implement a
test for drivers/iio/adc/ti-adc084s021.c.

Platform devices are going to take more work.  I did do some experiments
(using arch/um/drivers/virt-pci.c) a while ago but I need to see how
well it works with the rest of the framework in place.

> For my day job I'd like to mess around with doing PCI devices
> as well.  The PCI DOE support for example would be nice to run against a
> test set that doesn't involve spinning up QEMU.
> DOE driver support:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220330235920.2800929-1-ira.weiny@intel.com/
> 
> Effort wise, it's similar effort to hacking equivalent in QEMU but with the
> obvious advantage of being in tree and simpler for CI systems etc to use.
> 
> It would be nice to only have to use QEMU for complex system CI tests
> like the ones we are doing for CXL.
> 
> > 
> > > I dream of a world where every driver is testable by people with out hardware
> > > but I fear it may be a while yet.  Hopefully this will get us a little
> > > closer!
> > > 
> > > I more or less follow what is going on here (good docs btw in the earlier
> > > patch definitely helped).
> > > 
> > > So far I'm thoroughly in favour of road test subject to actually being
> > > able to review the tests or getting sufficient support to do so.
> > > It's a 'how to scale it' question really...  
> > 
> > Would rewriting the framework in C and forcing tests to be written in
> > that language mean that maintainers would be able to review tests
> > without external support?
> 
> I was wondering that.  If we stayed in python I think we'd definitely want
> someone to be the 'roadtester/tests' maintainer (or group of maintainers) 
> and their Ack to be expected for all tests we upstream.  Idea being they'd
> sanity check correct use of framework and just how bad the python code
> us C developers are writing is ;)
> 
> However, we'd still need a good chunk of that 'framework' use review even
> if doing this in C.

I think this is reasonable, especially for the first tests for each
subsystem where there will likely be support code and framework bits
missing.

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From: Vincent Whitchurch <vincent.whitchurch@axis.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
Cc: Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel <kernel@axis.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-um@lists.infradead.org" <linux-um@lists.infradead.org>,
	"shuah@kernel.org" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"brendanhiggins@google.com" <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	"linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-iio@vger.kernel.org" <linux-iio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	"broonie@kernel.org" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"a.zummo@towertech.it" <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	"alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	"linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"corbet@lwn.net" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 08/10] iio: light: vcnl4000: add roadtest
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:20:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220414102033.GA13937@axis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220406140816.000038ce@Huawei.com>

On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:08:16PM +0200, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 15:48:05 +0200
> Vincent Whitchurch <vincent.whitchurch@axis.com> wrote:
> I messed around the other day with writing tests for
> drivers/staging/iio/cdc/ad7746.c and wasn't "too bad" and was useful for
> verifying some refactoring (and identified a possible precision problem
> in some integer approximation of floating point calcs)

Good to hear!

> I'll try and find time to flesh that test set out more in the near future and
> post it so you can see how bad my python is. It amused my wife if nothing
> else :)
> 
> However a future project is to see if I can use this to hook up the SPDM
> attestation stack via mctp over i2c - just because I like to live dangerously :)
> 
> For IIO use more generally we need a sensible path to SPI (and also platform
> drivers).

I have SPI working now.  I was able to do this without patching the
kernel by have the Python code emulate an SC18IS602 I2C-SPI bridge which
has an existing driver.  There is a limitation of 200 bytes per
transaction (in the SC18IS602 driver/chip) so not all SPI drivers will
work, but many will, and the underlying backend can be changed later
without having to change the test cases.  I used this to implement a
test for drivers/iio/adc/ti-adc084s021.c.

Platform devices are going to take more work.  I did do some experiments
(using arch/um/drivers/virt-pci.c) a while ago but I need to see how
well it works with the rest of the framework in place.

> For my day job I'd like to mess around with doing PCI devices
> as well.  The PCI DOE support for example would be nice to run against a
> test set that doesn't involve spinning up QEMU.
> DOE driver support:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220330235920.2800929-1-ira.weiny@intel.com/
> 
> Effort wise, it's similar effort to hacking equivalent in QEMU but with the
> obvious advantage of being in tree and simpler for CI systems etc to use.
> 
> It would be nice to only have to use QEMU for complex system CI tests
> like the ones we are doing for CXL.
> 
> > 
> > > I dream of a world where every driver is testable by people with out hardware
> > > but I fear it may be a while yet.  Hopefully this will get us a little
> > > closer!
> > > 
> > > I more or less follow what is going on here (good docs btw in the earlier
> > > patch definitely helped).
> > > 
> > > So far I'm thoroughly in favour of road test subject to actually being
> > > able to review the tests or getting sufficient support to do so.
> > > It's a 'how to scale it' question really...  
> > 
> > Would rewriting the framework in C and forcing tests to be written in
> > that language mean that maintainers would be able to review tests
> > without external support?
> 
> I was wondering that.  If we stayed in python I think we'd definitely want
> someone to be the 'roadtester/tests' maintainer (or group of maintainers) 
> and their Ack to be expected for all tests we upstream.  Idea being they'd
> sanity check correct use of framework and just how bad the python code
> us C developers are writing is ;)
> 
> However, we'd still need a good chunk of that 'framework' use review even
> if doing this in C.

I think this is reasonable, especially for the first tests for each
subsystem where there will likely be support code and framework bits
missing.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-14 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-11 16:24 [RFC v1 00/10] roadtest: a driver testing framework Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 01/10] roadtest: import libvhost-user from QEMU Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-24 13:00   ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-24 13:00     ` Johannes Berg
2022-04-05 13:54     ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-04-05 13:54       ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 02/10] roadtest: add C backend Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 03/10] roadtest: add framework Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 04/10] roadtest: add base config Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 05/10] roadtest: add build files Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 06/10] roadtest: add documentation Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 07/10] iio: light: opt3001: add roadtest Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-14 23:11   ` Brendan Higgins
2022-03-14 23:11     ` Brendan Higgins
2022-03-18 15:49     ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-18 15:49       ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-18 20:09       ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-18 20:09         ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-29 14:43         ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-29 14:43           ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-29 14:50           ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-29 14:50             ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-29 14:52             ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-29 14:52               ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 08/10] iio: light: vcnl4000: " Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-20 17:02   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-03-20 17:02     ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-05 13:48     ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-04-05 13:48       ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-04-06 13:08       ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-06 13:08         ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-14 10:20         ` Vincent Whitchurch [this message]
2022-04-14 10:20           ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 09/10] regulator: tps62864: " Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 18:06   ` Mark Brown
2022-03-11 18:06     ` Mark Brown
2022-03-17 15:13     ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-17 15:13       ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-17 17:53       ` Mark Brown
2022-03-17 17:53         ` Mark Brown
2022-04-05 14:02         ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-04-05 14:02           ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC v1 10/10] rtc: pcf8563: " Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-11 16:24   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-14 22:24 ` [RFC v1 00/10] roadtest: a driver testing framework Brendan Higgins
2022-03-14 22:24   ` Brendan Higgins
2022-03-17 16:09   ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-03-17 16:09     ` Vincent Whitchurch
2022-04-18 19:44 ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-18 19:44   ` Jonathan Cameron

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