From: David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>
To: Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>
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Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH 00/16] support non power of 2 zoned devices
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 23:14:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220504211440.GU18596@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a702c7f7-9719-9f3e-63de-1e96f2912432@samsung.com>
On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 11:12:04AM +0200, Pankaj Raghav wrote:
> Hi Johannes,
> On 2022-05-03 00:07, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
> >> There was an effort previously [1] to add support to non po2 devices via
> >> device level emulation but that was rejected with a final conclusion
> >> to add support for non po2 zoned device in the complete stack[2].
> >
> > Hey Pankaj,
> >
> > One thing I'm concerned with this patches is, once we have npo2 zones (or to be precise
> > not fs_info->sectorsize aligned zones) we have to check on every allocation if we still
> > have at least have fs_info->sectorsize bytes left in a zone. If not we need to
> > explicitly finish the zone, otherwise we'll run out of max active zones.
> >
> This commit: `btrfs: zoned: relax the alignment constraint for zoned
> devices` makes sure the zone size is BTRFS_STRIPE_LEN aligned (64K). So
> even the npo2 zoned device should be aligned to `fs_info->sectorsize`,
> which is typically 4k.
>
> This was one of the comment that came from David Sterba:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220315142740.GU12643@twin.jikos.cz/
> where he suggested to have some sane alignment for the zone sizes.
My idea of 'sane' value would be 1M, that we have 4K for sectors is
because of the 1:1 mapping to pages, but RAM sizes are on a different
scale than storage devices. The 4K is absolute minimum but if the page
size is taken as a basic constraint, ARM has 64K and there are some 256K
arches.
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From: David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>
To: Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>
Cc: "Johannes Thumshirn" <Johannes.Thumshirn@wdc.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] support non power of 2 zoned devices
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 23:14:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220504211440.GU18596@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a702c7f7-9719-9f3e-63de-1e96f2912432@samsung.com>
On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 11:12:04AM +0200, Pankaj Raghav wrote:
> Hi Johannes,
> On 2022-05-03 00:07, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
> >> There was an effort previously [1] to add support to non po2 devices via
> >> device level emulation but that was rejected with a final conclusion
> >> to add support for non po2 zoned device in the complete stack[2].
> >
> > Hey Pankaj,
> >
> > One thing I'm concerned with this patches is, once we have npo2 zones (or to be precise
> > not fs_info->sectorsize aligned zones) we have to check on every allocation if we still
> > have at least have fs_info->sectorsize bytes left in a zone. If not we need to
> > explicitly finish the zone, otherwise we'll run out of max active zones.
> >
> This commit: `btrfs: zoned: relax the alignment constraint for zoned
> devices` makes sure the zone size is BTRFS_STRIPE_LEN aligned (64K). So
> even the npo2 zoned device should be aligned to `fs_info->sectorsize`,
> which is typically 4k.
>
> This was one of the comment that came from David Sterba:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220315142740.GU12643@twin.jikos.cz/
> where he suggested to have some sane alignment for the zone sizes.
My idea of 'sane' value would be 1M, that we have 4K for sectors is
because of the 1:1 mapping to pages, but RAM sizes are on a different
scale than storage devices. The 4K is absolute minimum but if the page
size is taken as a basic constraint, ARM has 64K and there are some 256K
arches.
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From: David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>
To: Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>
Cc: "jiangbo.365@bytedance.com" <jiangbo.365@bytedance.com>,
"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
"clm@fb.com" <clm@fb.com>,
"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
"hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>, "agk@redhat.com" <agk@redhat.com>,
"Naohiro Aota" <Naohiro.Aota@wdc.com>,
"sagi@grimberg.me" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
"gost.dev@samsung.com" <gost.dev@samsung.com>,
"damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com"
<damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>,
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Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 00/16] support non power of 2 zoned devices
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 23:14:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220504211440.GU18596@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a702c7f7-9719-9f3e-63de-1e96f2912432@samsung.com>
On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 11:12:04AM +0200, Pankaj Raghav wrote:
> Hi Johannes,
> On 2022-05-03 00:07, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
> >> There was an effort previously [1] to add support to non po2 devices via
> >> device level emulation but that was rejected with a final conclusion
> >> to add support for non po2 zoned device in the complete stack[2].
> >
> > Hey Pankaj,
> >
> > One thing I'm concerned with this patches is, once we have npo2 zones (or to be precise
> > not fs_info->sectorsize aligned zones) we have to check on every allocation if we still
> > have at least have fs_info->sectorsize bytes left in a zone. If not we need to
> > explicitly finish the zone, otherwise we'll run out of max active zones.
> >
> This commit: `btrfs: zoned: relax the alignment constraint for zoned
> devices` makes sure the zone size is BTRFS_STRIPE_LEN aligned (64K). So
> even the npo2 zoned device should be aligned to `fs_info->sectorsize`,
> which is typically 4k.
>
> This was one of the comment that came from David Sterba:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220315142740.GU12643@twin.jikos.cz/
> where he suggested to have some sane alignment for the zone sizes.
My idea of 'sane' value would be 1M, that we have 4K for sectors is
because of the 1:1 mapping to pages, but RAM sizes are on a different
scale than storage devices. The 4K is absolute minimum but if the page
size is taken as a basic constraint, ARM has 64K and there are some 256K
arches.
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2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 00/16] support non power of 2 zoned devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 01/16] block: make blkdev_nr_zones and blk_queue_zone_no generic for npo2 zsze Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-29 17:16 ` [dm-devel] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:16 ` [f2fs-dev] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:16 ` Adam Manzanares
2022-05-03 16:37 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:37 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:37 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:43 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-05-03 16:43 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-05-03 16:43 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-05-04 8:35 ` [dm-devel] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:35 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:35 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 16:52 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 16:52 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 02/16] block: add blk_queue_zone_aligned and bdev_zone_aligned helper Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:52 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-04-27 23:52 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-04-27 23:52 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-04-28 15:33 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 16:55 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 16:55 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 03/16] block: add bdev_zone_no helper Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:31 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-04-27 23:31 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-04-27 23:31 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 15:40 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:53 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-04-27 23:53 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-04-27 23:53 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-04-28 15:34 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 16:55 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 16:55 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 04/16] block: allow blk-zoned devices to have non-power-of-2 zone size Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:37 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-04-27 23:37 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-04-27 23:37 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 17:29 ` [dm-devel] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 17:29 ` [f2fs-dev] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 17:29 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 19:04 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 16:59 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 16:59 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 18:46 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 05/16] nvme: zns: Allow ZNS drives that have non-power_of_2 " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-29 17:23 ` [dm-devel] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:23 ` [f2fs-dev] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:23 ` Adam Manzanares
2022-05-03 16:50 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:50 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-05-04 8:38 ` [dm-devel] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:38 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:38 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 17:03 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 17:03 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 18:55 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 06/16] nvmet: use blk_queue_zone_no() Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-29 17:27 ` [dm-devel] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:27 ` [f2fs-dev] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:27 ` Adam Manzanares
2022-05-03 16:54 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:54 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 16:54 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-05-04 17:05 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 17:05 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 07/16] btrfs: zoned: Cache superblock location in btrfs_zoned_device_info Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 08/16] btrfs: zoned: add generic btrfs helpers for zoned devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 09/16] btrfs: zoned: Make sb_zone_number function non power of 2 compatible Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 10/16] btrfs: zoned: use btrfs zone helpers to support non po2 zoned devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 11/16] btrfs: zoned: relax the alignment constraint for " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 12/16] zonefs: allow non power of 2 " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:39 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-04-27 23:39 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-04-27 23:39 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 15:54 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-28 21:49 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-29 7:55 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 13/16] null_blk: " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-29 17:30 ` [dm-devel] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:30 ` [f2fs-dev] " Adam Manzanares
2022-04-29 17:30 ` Adam Manzanares
2022-05-03 17:01 ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 17:01 ` [f2fs-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2022-05-03 17:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-05-04 17:10 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 17:10 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 14/16] f2fs: call bdev_zone_sectors() only once on init_blkz_info() Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-03 20:04 ` [dm-devel] " Jaegeuk Kim
2022-05-03 20:04 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2022-05-03 20:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 15/16] f2fs: ensure only power of 2 zone sizes are allowed Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-03 20:05 ` [dm-devel] " Jaegeuk Kim
2022-05-03 20:05 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2022-05-03 20:05 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-05-04 8:53 ` [dm-devel] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:53 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 8:53 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 16/16] dm-zoned: " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 16:02 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-04-27 23:42 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-04-27 23:42 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-04-27 23:42 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 17:34 ` [dm-devel] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 17:34 ` [f2fs-dev] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 17:34 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 21:43 ` [dm-devel] " Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 21:43 ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-04-28 21:43 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-04-28 22:06 ` [dm-devel] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 22:06 ` [f2fs-dev] " Luis Chamberlain
2022-04-28 22:06 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-04 17:11 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-04 17:11 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-02 22:07 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 00/16] support non power of 2 zoned devices Johannes Thumshirn
2022-05-02 22:07 ` [f2fs-dev] " Johannes Thumshirn via Linux-f2fs-devel
2022-05-02 22:07 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-05-03 9:12 ` [dm-devel] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-03 9:12 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-03 9:12 ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-04 21:14 ` David Sterba [this message]
2022-05-04 21:14 ` [f2fs-dev] " David Sterba
2022-05-04 21:14 ` David Sterba
2022-05-05 7:28 ` [dm-devel] " Pankaj Raghav
2022-05-05 7:28 ` [f2fs-dev] " Pankaj Raghav
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