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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	"Alvin __ipraga" <alsi@bang-olufsen.dk>,
	"Claudiu Manoil" <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"DENG Qingfang" <dqfext@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"George McCollister" <george.mccollister@gmail.com>,
	"Hauke Mehrtens" <hauke@hauke-m.de>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Kurt Kanzenbach" <kurt@linutronix.de>,
	"Landen Chao" <Landen.Chao@mediatek.com>,
	"Linus Walleij" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	"Matthias Brugger" <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Sean Wang" <sean.wang@mediatek.com>,
	UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com,
	"Vivien Didelot" <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	"Woojung Huh" <woojung.huh@microchip.com>,
	"Marek Behún" <kabel@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 5/5] net: dsa: always use phylink for CPU and DSA ports
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 19:50:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220707165008.2zumavc4wrvwtcel@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YscKuTXeXFX0tCap@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 05:32:57PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> Great, so I'll mark ocelot is safe.

Yes, please.

> > As for sja1105, there is DT validation that checks for the presence of
> > all required properties in sja1105_parse_ports_node().
> 
> Looking at those, it requires all of:
> 
> - a phy mode to be specified (as determined by of_get_phy_mode())
> - a phy-handle or of_phy_is_fixed_link() to return true
> 
> otherwise it errors out.

I know. The problem with this ad-hoc validation is that it doesn't cover
the pure MLO_AN_INBAND:

	managed = "in-band-status";

so it is more restrictive than it needs to be. Also it doesn't recognize
the presence of an SFP bus in MLO_AN_PHY mode.

That is part 1 of my problem. I want to have validation that I'm
providing phylink with all the right things it may need, but I don't
want to make the driver code super clunky. By checking just the presence of
either phy-handle or fixed-link I am rejecting valid phylink configurations.
What I need is a validation function that is actually in sync with
phylink, not just ad-hoc.

> > There is some DT validation in felix_parse_ports_node() too, but it
> > doesn't check that all specifiers that phylink might use are there.
> 
> Phylink (correction, fwnode_get_phy_node() which is not part of phylink
> anymore) will look for phy-handle, phy, or phy-device. This is I don't
> see that there's any incompatibility between what the driver is doing
> and what phylink does.
> 
> If there's a fixed-link property, then sja1105_parse_ports_node() is
> happy, and so will phylink. If there's a phy-handle, the same is true.
> If there's a "phy" or "phy-device" then sja1105_parse_ports_node()
> errors out. That's completely fine.
> 
> "phy" and "phy-device" are the backwards compatibility for DT - I
> believe one of them is the ePAPR specified property that we in Linux
> have decided to only fall back on if there's not our more modern
> "phy-handle" property.
> 
> It seems We have a lot of users of "phy" in DT today, so we can't drop
> that from generic code such as phylink, but I haven't found any users
> of "phy-device".
> 
> > I'd really like to add some validation before I gain any involuntary
> > users, but all open-coded constructs I can come up with are clumsy.
> > What would you suggest, if I explicitly don't want to rely on
> > context-specific phylink interpretation of empty OF nodes, and rather
> > error out?
> 
> So I also don't see a problem - sja1105 rejects DTs that fail to
> describe a port using at least one of a phy-handle, a fixed-link, or
> a managed in-band link, and I don't think it needs to do further
> validation, certainly not for the phy describing properties that
> the kernel has chosen to deprecate for new implementations.

And this is part 2 of my problem, ocelot/felix doesn't have validation
at all except for phy-mode, because if it were to simply copy the
phy-handle/fixed-link either/or logic from sja1105, it would break some
customer boards with SFP cages. But without that validation, I am
exposing this driver to configurations I don't want it to support (CPU
ports with empty OF nodes, i.o.w. what this patch set is about).


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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	"Alvin __ipraga" <alsi@bang-olufsen.dk>,
	"Claudiu Manoil" <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"DENG Qingfang" <dqfext@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"George McCollister" <george.mccollister@gmail.com>,
	"Hauke Mehrtens" <hauke@hauke-m.de>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Kurt Kanzenbach" <kurt@linutronix.de>,
	"Landen Chao" <Landen.Chao@mediatek.com>,
	"Linus Walleij" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	"Matthias Brugger" <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Sean Wang" <sean.wang@mediatek.com>,
	UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com,
	"Vivien Didelot" <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	"Woojung Huh" <woojung.huh@microchip.com>,
	"Marek Behún" <kabel@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 5/5] net: dsa: always use phylink for CPU and DSA ports
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 19:50:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220707165008.2zumavc4wrvwtcel@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YscKuTXeXFX0tCap@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 05:32:57PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> Great, so I'll mark ocelot is safe.

Yes, please.

> > As for sja1105, there is DT validation that checks for the presence of
> > all required properties in sja1105_parse_ports_node().
> 
> Looking at those, it requires all of:
> 
> - a phy mode to be specified (as determined by of_get_phy_mode())
> - a phy-handle or of_phy_is_fixed_link() to return true
> 
> otherwise it errors out.

I know. The problem with this ad-hoc validation is that it doesn't cover
the pure MLO_AN_INBAND:

	managed = "in-band-status";

so it is more restrictive than it needs to be. Also it doesn't recognize
the presence of an SFP bus in MLO_AN_PHY mode.

That is part 1 of my problem. I want to have validation that I'm
providing phylink with all the right things it may need, but I don't
want to make the driver code super clunky. By checking just the presence of
either phy-handle or fixed-link I am rejecting valid phylink configurations.
What I need is a validation function that is actually in sync with
phylink, not just ad-hoc.

> > There is some DT validation in felix_parse_ports_node() too, but it
> > doesn't check that all specifiers that phylink might use are there.
> 
> Phylink (correction, fwnode_get_phy_node() which is not part of phylink
> anymore) will look for phy-handle, phy, or phy-device. This is I don't
> see that there's any incompatibility between what the driver is doing
> and what phylink does.
> 
> If there's a fixed-link property, then sja1105_parse_ports_node() is
> happy, and so will phylink. If there's a phy-handle, the same is true.
> If there's a "phy" or "phy-device" then sja1105_parse_ports_node()
> errors out. That's completely fine.
> 
> "phy" and "phy-device" are the backwards compatibility for DT - I
> believe one of them is the ePAPR specified property that we in Linux
> have decided to only fall back on if there's not our more modern
> "phy-handle" property.
> 
> It seems We have a lot of users of "phy" in DT today, so we can't drop
> that from generic code such as phylink, but I haven't found any users
> of "phy-device".
> 
> > I'd really like to add some validation before I gain any involuntary
> > users, but all open-coded constructs I can come up with are clumsy.
> > What would you suggest, if I explicitly don't want to rely on
> > context-specific phylink interpretation of empty OF nodes, and rather
> > error out?
> 
> So I also don't see a problem - sja1105 rejects DTs that fail to
> describe a port using at least one of a phy-handle, a fixed-link, or
> a managed in-band link, and I don't think it needs to do further
> validation, certainly not for the phy describing properties that
> the kernel has chosen to deprecate for new implementations.

And this is part 2 of my problem, ocelot/felix doesn't have validation
at all except for phy-mode, because if it were to simply copy the
phy-handle/fixed-link either/or logic from sja1105, it would break some
customer boards with SFP cages. But without that validation, I am
exposing this driver to configurations I don't want it to support (CPU
ports with empty OF nodes, i.o.w. what this patch set is about).

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-07 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-05  9:46 [PATCH RFC net-next v2 0/5] net: dsa: always use phylink Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:46 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:47 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 1/5] net: dsa: add support for retrieving the interface mode Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:47   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:47 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 2/5] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: report the default interface mode for the port Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:47   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05 10:55   ` Marek Behún
2022-07-05 10:55     ` Marek Behún
2022-07-06 11:04   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-05  9:47 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 3/5] net: phylink: split out interface to caps translation Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:47   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:48 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 4/5] net: phylink: add phylink_set_max_fixed_link() Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:48   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05 10:58   ` Marek Behún
2022-07-05 10:58     ` Marek Behún
2022-07-05  9:48 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 5/5] net: dsa: always use phylink for CPU and DSA ports Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-05  9:48   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-06 10:26   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-06 10:26     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-06 16:24     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-06 16:24       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 10:09       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 10:09         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 15:27         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 15:27           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 15:48           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 15:48             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 16:38             ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 16:38               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 17:15               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 17:15                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 19:37                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 19:37                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 20:23                   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 20:23                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 21:48                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 21:48                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08 15:25                   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-08 15:25                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-08 15:40                     ` Marek Behún
2022-07-08 15:40                       ` Marek Behún
2022-07-07 11:00     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 11:00       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 15:43       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 15:43         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-07 16:32         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 16:32           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-07 16:50           ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2022-07-07 16:50             ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-05 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC net-next v2 0/5] net: dsa: always use phylink Florian Fainelli
2022-07-05 16:42   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-07-06 10:14   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-06 10:14     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-06 16:27     ` Florian Fainelli
2022-07-06 16:27       ` Florian Fainelli
2022-07-06 19:05       ` Hauke Mehrtens
2022-07-06 19:05         ` Hauke Mehrtens
2022-07-06 20:24         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-06 20:24           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-07-06 17:22 ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2022-07-06 17:22   ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2022-07-06 22:46 ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-06 22:46   ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-07 13:46   ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-07 13:46     ` Linus Walleij

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