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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, eperezma@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, maxime.coquelin@redhat.com, kuba@kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] virtio_ring: introduce a per virtqueue waitqueue
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 02:33:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221227022255-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEuNZLJRnWw+XNxJ-to1y8L2GrTrJkk0y0Gwb5H2YhDczQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 12:30:35PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > But device is still going and will later use the buffers.
> >
> > Same for timeout really.
> 
> Avoiding infinite wait/poll is one of the goals, another is to sleep.
> If we think the timeout is hard, we can start from the wait.
> 
> Thanks

If the goal is to avoid disrupting traffic while CVQ is in use,
that sounds more reasonable. E.g. someone is turning on promisc,
a spike in CPU usage might be unwelcome.

things we should be careful to address then:
1- debugging. Currently it's easy to see a warning if CPU is stuck
   in a loop for a while, and we also get a backtrace.
   E.g. with this - how do we know who has the RTNL?
   We need to integrate with kernel/watchdog.c for good results
   and to make sure policy is consistent.
2- overhead. In a very common scenario when device is in hypervisor,
   programming timers etc has a very high overhead, at bootup
   lots of CVQ commands are run and slowing boot down is not nice.
   let's poll for a bit before waiting?
3- suprise removal. need to wake up thread in some way. what about
   other cases of device breakage - is there a chance this
   introduces new bugs around that? at least enumerate them please.


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	maxime.coquelin@redhat.com, alvaro.karsz@solid-run.com,
	eperezma@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] virtio_ring: introduce a per virtqueue waitqueue
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 02:33:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221227022255-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEuNZLJRnWw+XNxJ-to1y8L2GrTrJkk0y0Gwb5H2YhDczQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 12:30:35PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > But device is still going and will later use the buffers.
> >
> > Same for timeout really.
> 
> Avoiding infinite wait/poll is one of the goals, another is to sleep.
> If we think the timeout is hard, we can start from the wait.
> 
> Thanks

If the goal is to avoid disrupting traffic while CVQ is in use,
that sounds more reasonable. E.g. someone is turning on promisc,
a spike in CPU usage might be unwelcome.

things we should be careful to address then:
1- debugging. Currently it's easy to see a warning if CPU is stuck
   in a loop for a while, and we also get a backtrace.
   E.g. with this - how do we know who has the RTNL?
   We need to integrate with kernel/watchdog.c for good results
   and to make sure policy is consistent.
2- overhead. In a very common scenario when device is in hypervisor,
   programming timers etc has a very high overhead, at bootup
   lots of CVQ commands are run and slowing boot down is not nice.
   let's poll for a bit before waiting?
3- suprise removal. need to wake up thread in some way. what about
   other cases of device breakage - is there a chance this
   introduces new bugs around that? at least enumerate them please.


-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-27  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-26  7:49 [PATCH 0/4] virtio-net: don't busy poll for cvq command Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49 ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49 ` [PATCH 1/4] virtio-net: convert rx mode setting to use workqueue Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  7:39   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  7:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:06     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:06       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-30  2:51       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-30  3:40         ` Jason Wang
2022-12-30  3:40           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49 ` [PATCH 2/4] virtio_ring: switch to use BAD_RING() Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26 23:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-26 23:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  3:51     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  3:51       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  7:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  7:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-26  7:49 ` [PATCH 3/4] virtio_ring: introduce a per virtqueue waitqueue Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26 23:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-26 23:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  3:47     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  3:47       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  7:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  7:19         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:09         ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:09           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26 23:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-26 23:38     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  4:30     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  4:30       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  7:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-12-27  7:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:12         ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:12           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:38           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-28  6:34             ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28  6:34               ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28 11:53               ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28 11:53                 ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  7:07                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-29  7:07                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-29  8:04                   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  8:04                     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  8:10                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-29  8:10                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-30  3:43                       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-30  3:43                         ` Jason Wang
2023-01-27 10:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-27 10:35                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-29  5:48                           ` Jason Wang
2023-01-29  5:48                             ` Jason Wang
2023-01-29  7:30                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-29  7:30                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-30  2:53                               ` Jason Wang
2023-01-30  2:53                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-01-30  5:43                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-30  5:43                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-30  7:44                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-01-30  7:44                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-01-30 11:18                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-30 11:18                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-31  3:24                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-01-31  3:24                                         ` Jason Wang
2023-01-31  7:32                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-31  7:32                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20230129073713.5236-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-01-30  3:58     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49 ` [PATCH 4/4] virtio-net: sleep instead of busy waiting for cvq command Jason Wang
2022-12-26  7:49   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  2:19   ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-27  2:19     ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-27  4:33     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  4:33       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  6:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  6:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:17         ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:17           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-27  9:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-27  9:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-28  6:35             ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28  6:35               ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28  8:31         ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-28  8:31           ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-28 11:41           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28 11:41             ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  2:09             ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  2:09               ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  3:22               ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  3:22                 ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  3:41                 ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  3:41                   ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  4:08                   ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  4:08                     ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  6:13                     ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  6:13                       ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-28  8:39       ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-28  8:39         ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-28 11:43         ` Jason Wang
2022-12-28 11:43           ` Jason Wang
2022-12-29  2:01           ` Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-29  2:01             ` Xuan Zhuo

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