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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Frantisek Krenzelok <fkrenzel@redhat.com>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	Apoorv Kothari <apoorvko@amazon.com>,
	Boris Pismenny <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, Gal Pressman <gal@nvidia.com>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 0/5] tls: implement key updates for TLS1.3
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:10:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230215111020.0c843384@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+0Wjrc9shLkH+Gg@hog>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:29:50 +0100 Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
> > And how will we handle re-keying in offload?  
> 
> Sorry for the stupid question... do you mean that I need to solve that
> problem before this series can progress, or that the cover letter
> should summarize the state of the discussion?

I maintain that 1.3 offload is much more important than rekeying.
Offloads being available for 1.2 may be stalling adoption of 1.3
(just a guess, I run across this article mentioning 1.2 being used
in Oracle cloud for instance:
https://blogs.oracle.com/cloudsecurity/post/how-oci-helps-you-protect-data-with-default-encryption
could be because MITM requirements, or maybe they have HW which
can only do 1.2? Dunno).

But I'm willing to compromise, we just need a solid plan of how to
handle the inevitable. I'm worried that how this will pay out is:
 - you don't care about offload and add rekey
 - vendors don't care about rekey and add 1.3
  ... time passes ...
 - both you and the vendors have moved on
 - users run into issues, waste their time debugging and
   eventually report the problem upstream
 - it's on me to fix?

:(

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-15 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-14 11:17 [PATCH net-next v2 0/5] tls: implement key updates for TLS1.3 Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-14 11:17 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/5] tls: remove tls_context argument from tls_set_sw_offload Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-14 11:17 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/5] tls: block decryption when a rekey is pending Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-15  5:09   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-15 17:37     ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-14 11:17 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/5] tls: implement rekey for TLS1.3 Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-14 11:17 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/5] selftests: tls: add key_generation argument to tls_crypto_info_init Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-14 11:17 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/5] selftests: tls: add rekey tests Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-15  5:08 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/5] tls: implement key updates for TLS1.3 Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-15 17:29   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-15 19:10     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-02-15 23:23       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-16  3:57         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-16 16:23           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-22  3:19             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-23 16:27               ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-02-23 17:29                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-13 15:41                   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-03-13 18:35                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-22 16:10                       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-03-22 19:43                         ` Jakub Kicinski

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