Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues

["Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>]

On Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 02:11:54PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: David Edmondson <david.edmondson@oracle.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 9:03 AM
> > 
> > Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> writes:
> > 
> > >> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 2:31 AM
> > >>
> > >> Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 10:25:32PM CET, parav@nvidia.com wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> From: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >> >> <virtio-comment@lists.oasis- open.org> On Behalf Of David
> > >> >> Edmondson
> > >> >
> > >> >> In support of live migration, might we end up moving large amounts
> > >> >> of device state through the admin queue?
> > >> >>
> > >> >Correct.
> > >> >
> > >> >> If so, that would seem to have some performance requirements,
> > >> >> though I don't know if it would justify multiple admin queues.
> > >> >DMA of the data through the proposed AQ is supported.
> > >> >
> > >> >If I understood Max correctly when Max said " This AQ is not aimed
> > >> >for performance ", he means that AQ doesn't have performance
> > >> >requirements as
> > >> io/network queues to complete millions of ops/sec.
> > >> >
> > >> >it is several hundred to maybe (on the higher side) thousand ops/sec
> > >> >during
> > >> LM, provisioning use case.
> > >>
> > >> But isn't it good to design it for performance from start? I mean,
> > >> state transfer of thousands of VFs at a time is definitelly performance
> > related, isn't it?
> > >>
> > > It is. Which part of the proposed AQ doesn't cover this aspect?
> > > The only issue that I see today is, that a given GET family of commands q
> > contains the read-only and write-only descriptors which require multiple dma
> > allocations on driver side.
> > 
> > I don't think that there is any assertion that the current proposal doesn't cover
> > this.
> > 
> > It was intended as an illustration to try and help determine whether multiple
> > AQs for a single device was a requirement given existing anticipated usage, or
> > a safeguard against potential future uses.
> 
> Got it.
> 
> So far my understanding is:
> 1. Single AQ is enough for currently cited use cases

FYI transport VQ work started off with multiple vqs.

> 2. Having the infrastructure to support multiple AQ is also good.
> The extra cost of this infra is only one read-only field = aq count as Michael proposed.
> 
> 3. Ability to send multiple outstanding commands and execute them out of order by device is/should be supported as long as IN_ORDER is not negotiated.
> Should it be relaxed for AQ that even if IN_ORDER is negotiated, AQ by default can be out of order queue?

I feel there's no need: driver can just avoid negotiating IN_ORDER.
Generally I'm not happy with IN_ORDER and have some ideas to
replace it with PARTIAL_ORDER, that will also address this.

> 4. Driver is the sole owner to decide if it is modifying an object through AQ, it should synchronize with ongoing AQ command on the same object or not.
> 5. If the command gets stuck for a very long time, the driver can recover the AQ using the existing Q RESET facility.
> 
> Do we agree with the above design thoughts?
> Or there is a better design than this discussed, and I missed it?
> 


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