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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: "Vladimir Oltean" <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>,
	"Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Köry Maincent" <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, glipus@gmail.com,
	maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com, vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev,
	richardcochran@gmail.com, gerhard@engleder-embedded.com,
	thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com, krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org,
	robh+dt@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC v4 2/5] net: Expose available time stamping layers to user space.
Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 13:07:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230517130706.3432203b@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f89e35e-b1c9-4e08-9f60-73a96cc6e51a@lunn.ch>

On Wed, 17 May 2023 21:46:43 +0200 Andrew Lunn wrote:
> As i said in an earlier thread, with a bit of a stretch, there could
> be 7 places to take time stamps in the system. We need some sort of
> identifier to indicate which of these stampers to use.
> 
> Is clock ID unique? In a switch, i think there could be multiple
> stampers, one per MAC port, sharing one clock? So you actually need
> more than a clock ID.

Clock ID is a bit vague too, granted, but in practice clock ID should
correspond to the driver fairly well? My thinking was - use clock ID
to select the (silicon) device, use a different attribute to select 
the stamping point.

IOW try to use the existing attribute before inventing a new one.

> Also, 'By the standard - stamping happens under the MAC'. Which MAC?
> There can be multple MAC's in the pipeline. MACSEC and rate adaptation
> in the PHY are often implemented by the PHY having a MAC
> reconstituting the frame from the bitstream and putting it into a
> queue. Rate adaptation can then be performed by the PHY by sending
> pause frames to the 'primary' MAC to slow it down. MACSEC in the PHY
> takes frames in the queues and if they match a filter they get
> encrypted. The PHY then takes the frame out of the queue and passes
> them to a second MAC in the PHY which creates a bitstream and then to
> a 'PHY' to generate signals for the line.
> 
> In this sort of setup, you obviously don't want the 'primary' MAC
> doing the stamping. You want the MAC nearest to the line, or better
> still the 'PHY' within the PHY just before the line.

For a PHY "always use the point closest to the wire" makes sense.

For DMA we'd have a different set of priorities - precision vs
volume vs 1-step / 2-step; but all from the same clock. I think 
that we may want to defer figuring out selection within a single
clock for now, to make some progress.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-17 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-06 17:33 [PATCH net-next RFC v4 0/5] net: Make MAC/PHY time stamping selectable Köry Maincent
2023-04-06 17:33 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 1/5] net: ethtool: Refactor identical get_ts_info implementations Köry Maincent
2023-04-12 13:16   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-04-12 13:49     ` Köry Maincent
2023-04-12 16:56       ` Richard Cochran
2023-04-06 17:33 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 2/5] net: Expose available time stamping layers to user space Köry Maincent
2023-04-07  1:46   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-07  8:58     ` Köry Maincent
2023-04-07 14:26       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-07 14:44         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-17 19:58       ` Jacob Keller
2023-04-12 10:50     ` Michael Walle
2023-04-12 11:08       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-04-12 11:12         ` Michael Walle
2023-04-12 12:19         ` Köry Maincent
2023-05-11 20:36     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 20:50       ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-11 20:55         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-11 21:02           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 22:09             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-11 23:07               ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 23:16                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-12 10:29                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-12 17:38                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-17 19:19                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-17 19:46                         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-17 20:07                           ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-09-04 15:22                             ` Köry Maincent
2023-09-04 17:47                               ` Richard Cochran
2023-09-05 18:47                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-09-05 20:29                                   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-09-06  9:22                                     ` Köry Maincent
2023-09-07  9:29                                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-19 13:28                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-19 20:22                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-22  3:56                           ` Zulkifli, Muhammad Husaini
2023-05-22 20:04                             ` Richard Cochran
2023-05-22 20:21                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-23  3:54                                 ` Richard Cochran
2023-05-17 22:01                   ` Jacob Keller
2023-05-17 22:13     ` Jacob Keller
2023-05-17 22:46       ` Richard Cochran
2023-05-18 23:23         ` Jacob Keller
2023-05-19 12:50           ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-19 13:50             ` Richard Cochran
2023-05-19 15:18               ` Andrew Lunn
2023-04-08 14:06   ` Richard Cochran
2023-04-06 17:33 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 3/5] dt-bindings: net: phy: add timestamp preferred choice property Köry Maincent
2023-04-12 13:14   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-04-12 13:44     ` Köry Maincent
2023-04-29 17:42       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-02  9:10         ` Köry Maincent
2023-05-11 13:10           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 13:25             ` Köry Maincent
2023-05-11 13:56               ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 14:22                 ` Köry Maincent
2023-04-12 14:14   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-04-06 17:33 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 4/5] net: Let the active time stamping layer be selectable Köry Maincent
2023-04-06 20:04   ` kernel test robot
2023-04-07  1:02   ` kernel test robot
2023-04-07  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-07  2:04   ` kernel test robot
2023-04-29 17:58   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-02 11:05     ` Köry Maincent
2023-05-11 13:48       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 15:36         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-11 15:56           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 16:25             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-11 20:54               ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 23:08                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-11 23:18                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-05-11 23:35                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-15  9:04                       ` Köry Maincent
2023-05-16 19:28                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-11 21:06               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-11 22:54                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-17 22:19               ` Jacob Keller
2023-04-06 17:33 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 5/5] net: fix up drivers WRT phy time stamping Köry Maincent
2023-04-06 17:59 ` [PATCH net-next RFC v4 0/5] net: Make MAC/PHY time stamping selectable Köry Maincent

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