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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, sandeen@sandeen.net, song@kernel.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz, jikos@kernel.org,
	bvanassche@acm.org, ebiederm@xmission.com, mchehab@kernel.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, p.raghav@samsung.com,
	da.gomez@samsung.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel@tuxforce.de, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] fs: distinguish between user initiated freeze and kernel initiated freeze
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:10:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230608211020.GH72224@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZII5awqVCr9IUWtH@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 01:26:19PM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 04:42:00PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > How about this as an alternative patch?
> 
> I'm all for it, this is low hanging fruit and I try to get back to it
> as no one else does, so I'm glad someone else is looking and trying too!
> 
> Hopefully dropping patch 1 and 2 would help with this.
> 
> Comments below.
> 
> > From: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > Subject: fs: distinguish between user initiated freeze and kernel initiated freeze
> > 
> > Userspace can freeze a filesystem using the FIFREEZE ioctl or by
> > suspending the block device; this state persists until userspace thaws
> > the filesystem with the FITHAW ioctl or resuming the block device.
> > Since commit 18e9e5104fcd ("Introduce freeze_super and thaw_super for
> > the fsfreeze ioctl") we only allow the first freeze command to succeed.
> > 
> > The kernel may decide that it is necessary to freeze a filesystem for
> > its own internal purposes, such as suspends in progress, filesystem fsck
> > activities, or quiescing a device prior to removal.  Userspace thaw
> > commands must never break a kernel freeze, and kernel thaw commands
> > shouldn't undo userspace's freeze command.
> > 
> > Introduce a couple of freeze holder flags and wire it into the
> > sb_writers state.  One kernel and one userspace freeze are allowed to
> > coexist at the same time; the filesystem will not thaw until both are
> > lifted.
> 
> This mix-match stuff is also important to document so we can get
> userspace to understand what is allowed and we get a sense of direction
> written / documented. Without this trying to navigate around this is
> all implied. We may need to adjust things with time for thing we may
> not have considered.

That's captured in the kernledoc for freeze_super, which is no longer
getting cut up into __freeze_super here.

> > -int freeze_super(struct super_block *sb)
> > +static int __freeze_super(struct super_block *sb, unsigned short who)
> >  {
> > +	struct sb_writers *sbw = &sb->s_writers;
> >  	int ret;
> >  
> >  	atomic_inc(&sb->s_active);
> >  	down_write(&sb->s_umount);
> > +
> > +	if (sbw->frozen == SB_FREEZE_COMPLETE) {
> > +		switch (who) {
> 
> <-- snip -->
> 
> > +		case FREEZE_HOLDER_USERSPACE:
> > +			if (sbw->freeze_holders & FREEZE_HOLDER_USERSPACE) {
> > +				/*
> > +				 * Userspace freeze already in effect; tell
> > +				 * the caller we're busy.
> > +				 */
> > +				deactivate_locked_super(sb);
> > +				return -EBUSY;
> 
> I'm thinking some userspace might find this OK so thought maybe
> something like -EALREADY would be better, to then allow userspace
> to decide, however, since userspace would not control the thaw it
> seems like risky business to support that.

It already has to, since we've been returning EBUSY for "fs already
frozen or being frozen" for years.

--D

> Anyway, I'm all for any alternative!
> 
>   Luis

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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, sandeen@sandeen.net, song@kernel.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz, jikos@kernel.org,
	bvanassche@acm.org, ebiederm@xmission.com, mchehab@kernel.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, p.raghav@samsung.com,
	da.gomez@samsung.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel@tuxforce.de, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] fs: distinguish between user initiated freeze and kernel initiated freeze
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:10:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230608211020.GH72224@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZII5awqVCr9IUWtH@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 01:26:19PM -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 04:42:00PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > How about this as an alternative patch?
> 
> I'm all for it, this is low hanging fruit and I try to get back to it
> as no one else does, so I'm glad someone else is looking and trying too!
> 
> Hopefully dropping patch 1 and 2 would help with this.
> 
> Comments below.
> 
> > From: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > Subject: fs: distinguish between user initiated freeze and kernel initiated freeze
> > 
> > Userspace can freeze a filesystem using the FIFREEZE ioctl or by
> > suspending the block device; this state persists until userspace thaws
> > the filesystem with the FITHAW ioctl or resuming the block device.
> > Since commit 18e9e5104fcd ("Introduce freeze_super and thaw_super for
> > the fsfreeze ioctl") we only allow the first freeze command to succeed.
> > 
> > The kernel may decide that it is necessary to freeze a filesystem for
> > its own internal purposes, such as suspends in progress, filesystem fsck
> > activities, or quiescing a device prior to removal.  Userspace thaw
> > commands must never break a kernel freeze, and kernel thaw commands
> > shouldn't undo userspace's freeze command.
> > 
> > Introduce a couple of freeze holder flags and wire it into the
> > sb_writers state.  One kernel and one userspace freeze are allowed to
> > coexist at the same time; the filesystem will not thaw until both are
> > lifted.
> 
> This mix-match stuff is also important to document so we can get
> userspace to understand what is allowed and we get a sense of direction
> written / documented. Without this trying to navigate around this is
> all implied. We may need to adjust things with time for thing we may
> not have considered.

That's captured in the kernledoc for freeze_super, which is no longer
getting cut up into __freeze_super here.

> > -int freeze_super(struct super_block *sb)
> > +static int __freeze_super(struct super_block *sb, unsigned short who)
> >  {
> > +	struct sb_writers *sbw = &sb->s_writers;
> >  	int ret;
> >  
> >  	atomic_inc(&sb->s_active);
> >  	down_write(&sb->s_umount);
> > +
> > +	if (sbw->frozen == SB_FREEZE_COMPLETE) {
> > +		switch (who) {
> 
> <-- snip -->
> 
> > +		case FREEZE_HOLDER_USERSPACE:
> > +			if (sbw->freeze_holders & FREEZE_HOLDER_USERSPACE) {
> > +				/*
> > +				 * Userspace freeze already in effect; tell
> > +				 * the caller we're busy.
> > +				 */
> > +				deactivate_locked_super(sb);
> > +				return -EBUSY;
> 
> I'm thinking some userspace might find this OK so thought maybe
> something like -EALREADY would be better, to then allow userspace
> to decide, however, since userspace would not control the thaw it
> seems like risky business to support that.

It already has to, since we've been returning EBUSY for "fs already
frozen or being frozen" for years.

--D

> Anyway, I'm all for any alternative!
> 
>   Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-08 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-08  1:17 [PATCH 0/6] vfs: provide automatic kernel freeze / resume Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: unify locking semantics for fs freeze / thaw Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-12  6:00   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-12 23:54   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-18  5:32   ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-18  5:32     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-25 12:17   ` Jan Kara
2023-05-25 12:17     ` Jan Kara
2023-06-08  5:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08  5:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08 19:55     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-08 19:55       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] fs: add frozen sb state helpers Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 12:19   ` Jan Kara
2023-05-25 12:19     ` Jan Kara
2023-06-08  5:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08  5:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08 15:05     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 15:05       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 3/6] fs: distinguish between user initiated freeze and kernel initiated freeze Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-16 15:23   ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-16 15:23     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-22 23:42   ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-22 23:42     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-25 14:14     ` Jan Kara
2023-05-25 14:14       ` Jan Kara
2023-06-06 17:19       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-06 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-07  9:22         ` Jan Kara
2023-06-07  9:22           ` Jan Kara
2023-06-07 14:50           ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-07 14:50             ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 20:30         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-08 20:30           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-07 16:31       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-07 16:31         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-07 20:46         ` Jan Kara
2023-06-07 20:46           ` Jan Kara
2023-06-08 18:58           ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 18:58             ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08  5:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08  5:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08  9:11         ` Jan Kara
2023-06-08  9:11           ` Jan Kara
2023-06-08 18:16           ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 18:16             ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08  5:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08  5:24       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-08 18:15       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 18:15         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-06-08 20:26     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-08 20:26       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-08 21:10       ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2023-06-08 21:10         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: move !SB_BORN check early on freeze and add for thaw Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: add iterate_supers_excl() and iterate_supers_reverse_excl() Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] fs: add automatic kernel fs freeze / thaw and remove kthread freezing Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:17   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-09  1:20   ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-09  1:20     ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-16 15:17     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-16 15:17       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-08  1:21 ` [PATCH 0/6] vfs: provide automatic kernel freeze / resume Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-08  1:21   ` Luis Chamberlain

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