From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: "Victoria Brekenfeld" <victoria@system76.com>,
"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
mdaenzer@redhat.com,
"Laurent Pinchart" <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
airlied@gmail.com, aleixpol@kde.org, Rodrigo.Siqueira@amd.com,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
wayland-devel <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
"Jonas Ådahl" <jadahl@redhat.com>,
"Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
harry.wentland@amd.com, tzimmermann@suse.de, sunpeng.li@amd.com,
maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com,
"Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
mripard@kernel.org, "Melissa Wen" <mwen@igalia.com>,
"Simon Ser" <contact@emersion.fr>,
Xinhui.Pan@amd.com, xaver.hugl@gmail.com,
linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org,
"Kieran Bingham" <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
daniel@ffwll.ch, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
christian.koenig@amd.com, "Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Enable 3D LUT support
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:33:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230621133330.3d09d47a@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230621081031.7876-1-jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:10:22 +0200
Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> Hello, this series is based on the RFC sent by Melssa Wen:
> "[RFC PATCH v2 00/18] Add DRM CRTC 3D LUT interface"
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230109143846.1966301-1-mwen@igalia.com/
> that introduces CRTC properties to control 3D LUT operations.
>
> The R-Car DU peripheral has a post-blending color management pipeline (CMM)
> composed by (in order of processing) a 3D LUT a 1D LUT and a Color conversion
> unit.
>
> The CMM driver already supported operating the 1D LUT, this series add support
> for the cubic LUT (named CLU).
>
> I've been made aware by Melissa and Pekka that the focus of upstream for
> color management properties is now on the definition of the "Plane color
> pipeline" properties
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/QMers3awXvNCQlyhWdTtsPwkp5ie9bze_hD5nAccFW7a_RXlWjYB7MoUW_8CKLT2bSQwIXVi5H6VULYIxCdgvryZoAoJnC5lZgyK1QWn488=@emersion.fr/
>
> Unfortunately the model there proposed doesn't match the R-Car DU hardware which
> has color management at the post-blending level and not per plane (I've cc-ed
> all the receivers of that series, just in case).
Hi,
what are the actual use cases for post-blending color pipelines?
The pre-blending per-plane color pipelines are important for future
Wayland compositors, and post-blending is probably mostly about just
encoding for the sink (applying some inverse EOTF), so I've been
wondering why the post-blending color hardware seems to be so prevalent
and well-developed compared to pre-blending.
Is the idea that composition happens in a standard fixed color space,
and the post-blending color pipeline converts that to sink-native color
space?
If so, how do systems get their input content into the composition
space first?
Or is all this just a side-effect of caring about color on a single
plane, and not care at all how other planes with other kinds of content
will look? (e.g. TV broadcast vs. sub-titles, program guide, OSD)
Thanks,
pq
> The user-space interface has been validated with dedicated unit tests for
> the R-Car DU test suite (kms-test) which are available at:
> https://git.sr.ht/~jmondi_/kms-test
>
> The series validates the usage of the HW interface in the hope of re-starting
> discussions and interests in the definition of CRTC color management
> properties.
>
> Thanks
> j
>
> Alex Hung (1):
> drm: Add 3D LUT mode and its attributes
>
> Jacopo Mondi (1):
> drm: rcar-du: crtc: Enable 3D LUT
>
> Kieran Bingham (2):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Provide 3D-CLU support
> drm: rcar-du: kms: Configure the CLU
>
> Laurent Pinchart (1):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Refactor LUT configuration
>
> Melissa Wen (4):
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add shaper LUT to color mgmt properties
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add 3D LUT props to DRM color mgmt
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to create 3D LUT modes supported
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to attach 3D LUT props
>
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_state_helper.c | 7 ++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_uapi.c | 24 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_color_mgmt.c | 113 +++++++++++++++++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_fb_helper.c | 5 +
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_mode_config.c | 21 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.c | 127 ++++++++++++++++------
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.h | 36 +++++-
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_du_crtc.c | 68 +++++++++---
> include/drm/drm_color_mgmt.h | 7 ++
> include/drm/drm_crtc.h | 32 +++++-
> include/drm/drm_mode_config.h | 25 +++++
> include/drm/drm_mode_object.h | 2 +-
> include/uapi/drm/drm_mode.h | 17 +++
> 13 files changed, 428 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)
>
> --
> 2.40.1
>
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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: "Laurent Pinchart" <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
"Kieran Bingham" <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
"Simon Ser" <contact@emersion.fr>,
"Jonas Ådahl" <jadahl@redhat.com>,
xaver.hugl@gmail.com, "Melissa Wen" <mwen@igalia.com>,
wayland-devel <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
mdaenzer@redhat.com, "Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
"Victoria Brekenfeld" <victoria@system76.com>,
aleixpol@kde.org, "Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
"Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>,
airlied@gmail.com, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
christian.koenig@amd.com, daniel@ffwll.ch,
harry.wentland@amd.com, maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com,
mripard@kernel.org, Rodrigo.Siqueira@amd.com, sunpeng.li@amd.com,
tzimmermann@suse.de, Xinhui.Pan@amd.com,
"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Enable 3D LUT support
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:33:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230621133330.3d09d47a@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230621081031.7876-1-jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:10:22 +0200
Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> Hello, this series is based on the RFC sent by Melssa Wen:
> "[RFC PATCH v2 00/18] Add DRM CRTC 3D LUT interface"
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230109143846.1966301-1-mwen@igalia.com/
> that introduces CRTC properties to control 3D LUT operations.
>
> The R-Car DU peripheral has a post-blending color management pipeline (CMM)
> composed by (in order of processing) a 3D LUT a 1D LUT and a Color conversion
> unit.
>
> The CMM driver already supported operating the 1D LUT, this series add support
> for the cubic LUT (named CLU).
>
> I've been made aware by Melissa and Pekka that the focus of upstream for
> color management properties is now on the definition of the "Plane color
> pipeline" properties
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/QMers3awXvNCQlyhWdTtsPwkp5ie9bze_hD5nAccFW7a_RXlWjYB7MoUW_8CKLT2bSQwIXVi5H6VULYIxCdgvryZoAoJnC5lZgyK1QWn488=@emersion.fr/
>
> Unfortunately the model there proposed doesn't match the R-Car DU hardware which
> has color management at the post-blending level and not per plane (I've cc-ed
> all the receivers of that series, just in case).
Hi,
what are the actual use cases for post-blending color pipelines?
The pre-blending per-plane color pipelines are important for future
Wayland compositors, and post-blending is probably mostly about just
encoding for the sink (applying some inverse EOTF), so I've been
wondering why the post-blending color hardware seems to be so prevalent
and well-developed compared to pre-blending.
Is the idea that composition happens in a standard fixed color space,
and the post-blending color pipeline converts that to sink-native color
space?
If so, how do systems get their input content into the composition
space first?
Or is all this just a side-effect of caring about color on a single
plane, and not care at all how other planes with other kinds of content
will look? (e.g. TV broadcast vs. sub-titles, program guide, OSD)
Thanks,
pq
> The user-space interface has been validated with dedicated unit tests for
> the R-Car DU test suite (kms-test) which are available at:
> https://git.sr.ht/~jmondi_/kms-test
>
> The series validates the usage of the HW interface in the hope of re-starting
> discussions and interests in the definition of CRTC color management
> properties.
>
> Thanks
> j
>
> Alex Hung (1):
> drm: Add 3D LUT mode and its attributes
>
> Jacopo Mondi (1):
> drm: rcar-du: crtc: Enable 3D LUT
>
> Kieran Bingham (2):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Provide 3D-CLU support
> drm: rcar-du: kms: Configure the CLU
>
> Laurent Pinchart (1):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Refactor LUT configuration
>
> Melissa Wen (4):
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add shaper LUT to color mgmt properties
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add 3D LUT props to DRM color mgmt
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to create 3D LUT modes supported
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to attach 3D LUT props
>
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_state_helper.c | 7 ++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_uapi.c | 24 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_color_mgmt.c | 113 +++++++++++++++++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_fb_helper.c | 5 +
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_mode_config.c | 21 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.c | 127 ++++++++++++++++------
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.h | 36 +++++-
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_du_crtc.c | 68 +++++++++---
> include/drm/drm_color_mgmt.h | 7 ++
> include/drm/drm_crtc.h | 32 +++++-
> include/drm/drm_mode_config.h | 25 +++++
> include/drm/drm_mode_object.h | 2 +-
> include/uapi/drm/drm_mode.h | 17 +++
> 13 files changed, 428 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)
>
> --
> 2.40.1
>
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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: "Victoria Brekenfeld" <victoria@system76.com>,
"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
mdaenzer@redhat.com,
"Laurent Pinchart" <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
aleixpol@kde.org, Rodrigo.Siqueira@amd.com,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
wayland-devel <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
"Jonas Ådahl" <jadahl@redhat.com>,
"Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
tzimmermann@suse.de, sunpeng.li@amd.com,
"Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
mripard@kernel.org, "Melissa Wen" <mwen@igalia.com>,
Xinhui.Pan@amd.com, xaver.hugl@gmail.com,
linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org,
"Kieran Bingham" <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
alexander.deucher@amd.com, christian.koenig@amd.com,
"Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Enable 3D LUT support
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:33:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230621133330.3d09d47a@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230621081031.7876-1-jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:10:22 +0200
Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> Hello, this series is based on the RFC sent by Melssa Wen:
> "[RFC PATCH v2 00/18] Add DRM CRTC 3D LUT interface"
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230109143846.1966301-1-mwen@igalia.com/
> that introduces CRTC properties to control 3D LUT operations.
>
> The R-Car DU peripheral has a post-blending color management pipeline (CMM)
> composed by (in order of processing) a 3D LUT a 1D LUT and a Color conversion
> unit.
>
> The CMM driver already supported operating the 1D LUT, this series add support
> for the cubic LUT (named CLU).
>
> I've been made aware by Melissa and Pekka that the focus of upstream for
> color management properties is now on the definition of the "Plane color
> pipeline" properties
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/QMers3awXvNCQlyhWdTtsPwkp5ie9bze_hD5nAccFW7a_RXlWjYB7MoUW_8CKLT2bSQwIXVi5H6VULYIxCdgvryZoAoJnC5lZgyK1QWn488=@emersion.fr/
>
> Unfortunately the model there proposed doesn't match the R-Car DU hardware which
> has color management at the post-blending level and not per plane (I've cc-ed
> all the receivers of that series, just in case).
Hi,
what are the actual use cases for post-blending color pipelines?
The pre-blending per-plane color pipelines are important for future
Wayland compositors, and post-blending is probably mostly about just
encoding for the sink (applying some inverse EOTF), so I've been
wondering why the post-blending color hardware seems to be so prevalent
and well-developed compared to pre-blending.
Is the idea that composition happens in a standard fixed color space,
and the post-blending color pipeline converts that to sink-native color
space?
If so, how do systems get their input content into the composition
space first?
Or is all this just a side-effect of caring about color on a single
plane, and not care at all how other planes with other kinds of content
will look? (e.g. TV broadcast vs. sub-titles, program guide, OSD)
Thanks,
pq
> The user-space interface has been validated with dedicated unit tests for
> the R-Car DU test suite (kms-test) which are available at:
> https://git.sr.ht/~jmondi_/kms-test
>
> The series validates the usage of the HW interface in the hope of re-starting
> discussions and interests in the definition of CRTC color management
> properties.
>
> Thanks
> j
>
> Alex Hung (1):
> drm: Add 3D LUT mode and its attributes
>
> Jacopo Mondi (1):
> drm: rcar-du: crtc: Enable 3D LUT
>
> Kieran Bingham (2):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Provide 3D-CLU support
> drm: rcar-du: kms: Configure the CLU
>
> Laurent Pinchart (1):
> drm: rcar-du: cmm: Refactor LUT configuration
>
> Melissa Wen (4):
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add shaper LUT to color mgmt properties
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add 3D LUT props to DRM color mgmt
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to create 3D LUT modes supported
> drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to attach 3D LUT props
>
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_state_helper.c | 7 ++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_uapi.c | 24 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_color_mgmt.c | 113 +++++++++++++++++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_fb_helper.c | 5 +
> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_mode_config.c | 21 ++++
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.c | 127 ++++++++++++++++------
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_cmm.h | 36 +++++-
> drivers/gpu/drm/rcar-du/rcar_du_crtc.c | 68 +++++++++---
> include/drm/drm_color_mgmt.h | 7 ++
> include/drm/drm_crtc.h | 32 +++++-
> include/drm/drm_mode_config.h | 25 +++++
> include/drm/drm_mode_object.h | 2 +-
> include/uapi/drm/drm_mode.h | 17 +++
> 13 files changed, 428 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)
>
> --
> 2.40.1
>
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-21 8:10 [RFC 0/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Enable 3D LUT support Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 1/9] drm: Add 3D LUT mode and its attributes Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 2/9] drm/drm_color_mgmt: add shaper LUT to color mgmt properties Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 3/9] drm/drm_color_mgmt: add 3D LUT props to DRM color mgmt Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 4/9] drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to create 3D LUT modes supported Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 5/9] drm/drm_color_mgmt: add function to attach 3D LUT props Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 6/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Refactor LUT configuration Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 7/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Provide 3D-CLU support Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 8/9] drm: rcar-du: kms: Configure the CLU Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` [RFC 9/9] drm: rcar-du: crtc: Enable 3D LUT Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 8:10 ` Jacopo Mondi
2023-06-21 10:33 ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2023-06-21 10:33 ` [RFC 0/9] drm: rcar-du: cmm: Enable 3D LUT support Pekka Paalanen
2023-06-21 10:33 ` Pekka Paalanen
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