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From: Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/12] s390: add pte_free_defer() for pgtables sharing page
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:25:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230630182556.7727ef50@p-imbrenda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <062b19-4cf1-261-a9bf-9cefd32382fc@google.com>

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023, Claudio Imbrenda wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> >   
> > > +void pte_free_defer(struct mm_struct *mm, pgtable_t pgtable)
> > > +{
> > > +	unsigned int bit, mask;
> > > +	struct page *page;
> > > +
> > > +	page = virt_to_page(pgtable);
> > > +	if (mm_alloc_pgste(mm)) {
> > > +		call_rcu(&page->rcu_head, pte_free_pgste);  
> > 
> > so is this now going to be used to free page tables
> > instead of page_table_free_rcu?  
> 
> No.
> 
> All pte_free_defer() is being used for (in this series; and any future
> use beyond this series will have to undertake its own evaluations) is
> for the case of removing an empty page table, which used to map a group
> of PTE mappings of a file, in order to make way for one PMD mapping of
> the huge page which those scattered pages have now been gathered into.
> 
> You're worried by that mm_alloc_pgste() block: it's something I didn't

actually no, but thanks for bringing it up :D

> have at all in my first draft, then I thought that perhaps the pgste
> case might be able to come this way, so it seemed stupid to leave out
> the handling for it.
> 
> I hope that you're implying that should be dead code here?  Perhaps,
> that the pgste case corresponds to the case in s390 where THPs are
> absolutely forbidden?  That would be good news for us.
> 
> Gerald, in his version of this block, added a comment asking:
> 	/*
> 	 * TODO: Do we need gmap_unlink(mm, pgtable, addr), like in
> 	 * page_table_free_rcu()?
> 	 * If yes -> need addr parameter here, like in pte_free_tlb().
> 	 */
> Do you have the answer to that?  Neither of us could work it out.

this is the thing I'm worried about; removing a page table that was
used to map a guest will leave dangling pointers in the gmap that will
cause memory corruption (I actually ran into that problem myself for
another patchseries).

gmap_unlink() is needed to clean up the pointers before they become
dangling (and also potentially do some TLB purging as needed)

the point here is: we need that only for page_table_free_rcu(); all
other users of page_table_free() cannot act on guest page tables
(because we don't allow THP for KVM guests). and that is why
page_table_free() does not do gmap_unlink() currently.

> 
> > 
> > or will it be used instead of page_table_free?  
> 
> Not always; but yes, this case of removing a page table used
> page_table_free() before; but now, with the lighter locking, needs
> to keep the page table valid until the RCU grace period expires.

so if I understand correctly your code will, sometimes, under some
circumstances, replace what page_table_free() does, but it will never
replace page_table_free_rcu()?

because in that case there would be no issues 

> 
> > 
> > this is actually quite important for KVM on s390  
> 
> None of us are wanting to break KVM on s390: your guidance appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Hugh


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From: Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Hellstrom <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatash in@soleen.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Naoya Horiguchi <naoya.horiguchi@nec.com>,
	Zack Rusin <zackr@vmware.com>,
	Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@gmail.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/12] s390: add pte_free_defer() for pgtables sharing page
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:25:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230630182556.7727ef50@p-imbrenda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <062b19-4cf1-261-a9bf-9cefd32382fc@google.com>

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023, Claudio Imbrenda wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> >   
> > > +void pte_free_defer(struct mm_struct *mm, pgtable_t pgtable)
> > > +{
> > > +	unsigned int bit, mask;
> > > +	struct page *page;
> > > +
> > > +	page = virt_to_page(pgtable);
> > > +	if (mm_alloc_pgste(mm)) {
> > > +		call_rcu(&page->rcu_head, pte_free_pgste);  
> > 
> > so is this now going to be used to free page tables
> > instead of page_table_free_rcu?  
> 
> No.
> 
> All pte_free_defer() is being used for (in this series; and any future
> use beyond this series will have to undertake its own evaluations) is
> for the case of removing an empty page table, which used to map a group
> of PTE mappings of a file, in order to make way for one PMD mapping of
> the huge page which those scattered pages have now been gathered into.
> 
> You're worried by that mm_alloc_pgste() block: it's something I didn't

actually no, but thanks for bringing it up :D

> have at all in my first draft, then I thought that perhaps the pgste
> case might be able to come this way, so it seemed stupid to leave out
> the handling for it.
> 
> I hope that you're implying that should be dead code here?  Perhaps,
> that the pgste case corresponds to the case in s390 where THPs are
> absolutely forbidden?  That would be good news for us.
> 
> Gerald, in his version of this block, added a comment asking:
> 	/*
> 	 * TODO: Do we need gmap_unlink(mm, pgtable, addr), like in
> 	 * page_table_free_rcu()?
> 	 * If yes -> need addr parameter here, like in pte_free_tlb().
> 	 */
> Do you have the answer to that?  Neither of us could work it out.

this is the thing I'm worried about; removing a page table that was
used to map a guest will leave dangling pointers in the gmap that will
cause memory corruption (I actually ran into that problem myself for
another patchseries).

gmap_unlink() is needed to clean up the pointers before they become
dangling (and also potentially do some TLB purging as needed)

the point here is: we need that only for page_table_free_rcu(); all
other users of page_table_free() cannot act on guest page tables
(because we don't allow THP for KVM guests). and that is why
page_table_free() does not do gmap_unlink() currently.

> 
> > 
> > or will it be used instead of page_table_free?  
> 
> Not always; but yes, this case of removing a page table used
> page_table_free() before; but now, with the lighter locking, needs
> to keep the page table valid until the RCU grace period expires.

so if I understand correctly your code will, sometimes, under some
circumstances, replace what page_table_free() does, but it will never
replace page_table_free_rcu()?

because in that case there would be no issues 

> 
> > 
> > this is actually quite important for KVM on s390  
> 
> None of us are wanting to break KVM on s390: your guidance appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Hugh


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-30 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-20  7:35 [PATCH v2 00/12] mm: free retracted page table by RCU Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:40 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] mm/pgtable: add rcu_read_lock() and rcu_read_unlock()s Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:40   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:42 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] mm/pgtable: add PAE safety to __pte_offset_map() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:42   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:43 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] arm: adjust_pte() use pte_offset_map_nolock() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:43   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] powerpc: assert_pte_locked() " Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:45   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:47 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] powerpc: add pte_free_defer() for pgtables sharing page Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:47   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20 11:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20 11:45     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20 19:54     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20 19:54       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20 23:52       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20 23:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-22  2:36         ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-22  2:36           ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-27 17:01           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-27 17:01             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-27 20:53             ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-27 20:53               ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] sparc: add pte_free_defer() for pte_t *pgtable_t Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:49   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:51 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] s390: add pte_free_defer() for pgtables sharing page Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:51   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-28 19:16   ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-28 19:16     ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-29  5:08     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-29  5:08       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-29 15:22       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-29 15:22         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-29 15:56         ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-29 15:56           ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-30  6:00           ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-30  6:00             ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-02  4:32             ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-02  4:32               ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-04 13:40               ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-07-04 13:40                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-07-04 16:03                 ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-04 16:03                   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-04 15:19               ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-04 15:19                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-04 17:03                 ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-04 17:03                   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-05 12:55                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-05 12:55                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-06  1:20                     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-06  1:20                       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-06 15:02                       ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-06 15:02                         ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-06 19:45                         ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-06 19:45                           ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-10 17:21                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-10 17:21                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-05  6:46               ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-07-05  6:46                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-07-06  0:52                 ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-06  0:52                   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-07 14:37                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-07 14:37                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-03 16:10             ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-07-03 16:10               ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-29 13:59     ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-06-29 13:59       ` Alexander Gordeev
2023-06-29 15:43       ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-29 15:43         ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-30 13:38   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2023-06-30 13:38     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2023-06-30 15:28     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-30 15:28       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-30 16:25       ` Claudio Imbrenda [this message]
2023-06-30 16:25         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2023-06-30 19:22         ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-30 19:22           ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-03 11:00           ` Claudio Imbrenda
2023-07-03 11:00             ` Claudio Imbrenda
2023-07-03 21:29             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-03 21:29               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-20  7:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] mm/pgtable: add pte_free_defer() for pgtable as page Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:53   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:54 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] mm/khugepaged: retract_page_tables() without mmap or vma lock Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:54   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:56 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] mm/khugepaged: collapse_pte_mapped_thp() with mmap_read_lock() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:56   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  8:04   ` [PATCH mm " Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  8:04     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:58 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] mm/khugepaged: delete khugepaged_collapse_pte_mapped_thps() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:58   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] mm: delete mmap_write_trylock() and vma_try_start_write() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-20  7:59   ` Hugh Dickins

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