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From: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
To: Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
Cc: <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	<linuxarm@huawei.com>,
	Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Viacheslav Dubeyko" <slava@dubeyko.com>,
	Shesha Bhushan Sreenivasamurthy <sheshas@marvell.com>,
	Fan Ni <fan.ni@samsung.com>, Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Zhang <jonzhang@meta.com>,
	Klaus Jensen <k.jensen@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 10/17] misc/i2c_mctp_cxl: Initial device emulation
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:18:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230720131833.0000575c@Huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZLgwI5N/4RV2kpq1@memverge.com>

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:49:07 -0400
Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:19:47AM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:30:57 -0400
> > Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 06:16:39PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:  
> > > > @@ -397,8 +401,9 @@ struct CXLType3Dev {
> > > >      AddressSpace hostpmem_as;
> > > >      CXLComponentState cxl_cstate;
> > > >      CXLDeviceState cxl_dstate;
> > > > -    CXLCCI cci;
> > > > -    
> > > > +    CXLCCI cci; /* Primary PCI mailbox CCI */
> > > > +    CXLCCI oob_mctp_cci; /* Initialized only if targetted */
> > > > +    
> > > 
> > > I've been humming and hawing over this on the MHD stuff because I wanted
> > > to figure out how to "add a CCI command" to a type-3 device without
> > > either having a billion definitions for CCI command sets - or doing
> > > something like this.
> > > 
> > > I don't hate this design pattern, I just want to ask whether your
> > > intent is to end up with CXLType3Dev hosting many CXLCCI's based on what
> > > wrapper types you have. 
> > > 
> > > Example: a type-3 device with mctp pass through and the MHD command set
> > > 
> > > CXLType3Dev {
> > >     ...
> > >     CXLCCI cci;
> > >     CXLCCI oob_mctp_cci;
> > >     CXLCCI mhd_cci;
> > >     ...
> > > }  
> > 
> > Yes - that's what I was thinking.  In some cases a CCI may be accessed by
> > tunneling on a different CCI on the same device as well as the option
> > of tunneling to different devices.
> > 
> > So far the set that we'll end up with isn't too large. And if some aren't
> > used for a given instantiation that's fine if it keeps the code simple.
> > We may end up with other MCTP buses and to keep things consistent each one
> > will need it's own target CXLCCI. If we need to rethink and make it dynamic
> > to some degree we can look at it later.
> >   
> 
> Maybe a dangerous suggestion.  Right now the CCI's are static:
> 
> static const struct cxl_cmd cxl_cmd_set[256][256]

That's defined by the ID space for the commands.  There can't be more than
that many currently..

> 
> how difficult might it be to allow these tables to be dynamic instead?
> Then we could add an interface like this:
> 
> void cxl_add_cmd_set(CXLCCI *cci, CXLCCI *cmd_set, payload_max) {
> 	copy(cci, cmd_set);
> }
> 
> This would enable not just adding sub-components piece-meal, but also if
> someone wants to model a real device with custom CCI commands, they can
> simply define a CCI set and pass it in via
> 
> cxl_add_cmd_set(&ct3d->cci, my_cmd_set, payload_max);

Ok.  I'm potentially fine with people adding an interface for this, but
only if they plan to also upstream the QEMU emulation of their actual
device.

> 
> Which lets the existing /dev/cxl/memN device dispatch those commands,
> and makes modeling real devices an easier endeavor.
> 
> Only downside is that this may require changing the command structure to
> include a callback type and pointer per cci function. The upside is this
> would also allow commands to be written somewhat agnostic to the device
> they're being inherited by and allow for device nesting like...
> 
> -device cxl-type3, id=ct3d
> -device cxl-mhd, target=ct3d
> -device my_vendor_cxl_type3, target=ct3d
> etc etc
> 
> otherwise we're probably going to end up with a cxl-type3 -device line
> 300 characters long.
> 
> Maybe that's over-generalizing a bit much n.n;

I'd look to just inherit from a cxl type 3, like Ira did in the PoC for
type 2 support.   We can then easily add a path to replace the commands
set with whatever anyone wants.  I'm not sure we want the command line
to be used to configure such a device as it'll both get very complex and
prove increasingly hard to test more than a small subset of options.

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230517-rfc-type2-dev-v1-0-6eb2e470981b@intel.com/


Jonathan

> 
> ~Gregory


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jonathan Cameron via <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
To: Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
Cc: <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	<linuxarm@huawei.com>,
	Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Viacheslav Dubeyko" <slava@dubeyko.com>,
	Shesha Bhushan Sreenivasamurthy <sheshas@marvell.com>,
	Fan Ni <fan.ni@samsung.com>, Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Zhang <jonzhang@meta.com>,
	Klaus Jensen <k.jensen@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 10/17] misc/i2c_mctp_cxl: Initial device emulation
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:18:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230720131833.0000575c@Huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZLgwI5N/4RV2kpq1@memverge.com>

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:49:07 -0400
Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 09:19:47AM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:30:57 -0400
> > Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 06:16:39PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:  
> > > > @@ -397,8 +401,9 @@ struct CXLType3Dev {
> > > >      AddressSpace hostpmem_as;
> > > >      CXLComponentState cxl_cstate;
> > > >      CXLDeviceState cxl_dstate;
> > > > -    CXLCCI cci;
> > > > -    
> > > > +    CXLCCI cci; /* Primary PCI mailbox CCI */
> > > > +    CXLCCI oob_mctp_cci; /* Initialized only if targetted */
> > > > +    
> > > 
> > > I've been humming and hawing over this on the MHD stuff because I wanted
> > > to figure out how to "add a CCI command" to a type-3 device without
> > > either having a billion definitions for CCI command sets - or doing
> > > something like this.
> > > 
> > > I don't hate this design pattern, I just want to ask whether your
> > > intent is to end up with CXLType3Dev hosting many CXLCCI's based on what
> > > wrapper types you have. 
> > > 
> > > Example: a type-3 device with mctp pass through and the MHD command set
> > > 
> > > CXLType3Dev {
> > >     ...
> > >     CXLCCI cci;
> > >     CXLCCI oob_mctp_cci;
> > >     CXLCCI mhd_cci;
> > >     ...
> > > }  
> > 
> > Yes - that's what I was thinking.  In some cases a CCI may be accessed by
> > tunneling on a different CCI on the same device as well as the option
> > of tunneling to different devices.
> > 
> > So far the set that we'll end up with isn't too large. And if some aren't
> > used for a given instantiation that's fine if it keeps the code simple.
> > We may end up with other MCTP buses and to keep things consistent each one
> > will need it's own target CXLCCI. If we need to rethink and make it dynamic
> > to some degree we can look at it later.
> >   
> 
> Maybe a dangerous suggestion.  Right now the CCI's are static:
> 
> static const struct cxl_cmd cxl_cmd_set[256][256]

That's defined by the ID space for the commands.  There can't be more than
that many currently..

> 
> how difficult might it be to allow these tables to be dynamic instead?
> Then we could add an interface like this:
> 
> void cxl_add_cmd_set(CXLCCI *cci, CXLCCI *cmd_set, payload_max) {
> 	copy(cci, cmd_set);
> }
> 
> This would enable not just adding sub-components piece-meal, but also if
> someone wants to model a real device with custom CCI commands, they can
> simply define a CCI set and pass it in via
> 
> cxl_add_cmd_set(&ct3d->cci, my_cmd_set, payload_max);

Ok.  I'm potentially fine with people adding an interface for this, but
only if they plan to also upstream the QEMU emulation of their actual
device.

> 
> Which lets the existing /dev/cxl/memN device dispatch those commands,
> and makes modeling real devices an easier endeavor.
> 
> Only downside is that this may require changing the command structure to
> include a callback type and pointer per cci function. The upside is this
> would also allow commands to be written somewhat agnostic to the device
> they're being inherited by and allow for device nesting like...
> 
> -device cxl-type3, id=ct3d
> -device cxl-mhd, target=ct3d
> -device my_vendor_cxl_type3, target=ct3d
> etc etc
> 
> otherwise we're probably going to end up with a cxl-type3 -device line
> 300 characters long.
> 
> Maybe that's over-generalizing a bit much n.n;

I'd look to just inherit from a cxl type 3, like Ira did in the PoC for
type 2 support.   We can then easily add a path to replace the commands
set with whatever anyone wants.  I'm not sure we want the command line
to be used to configure such a device as it'll both get very complex and
prove increasingly hard to test more than a small subset of options.

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230517-rfc-type2-dev-v1-0-6eb2e470981b@intel.com/


Jonathan

> 
> ~Gregory



  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-20 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-17 17:16 [RFC PATCH 00/17] hw/cxl: hw/cxl: Generic CCI emulation support Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 01/17] hw/pci-bridge/cxl_upstream: Move defintion of device to header Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 02/17] hw/cxl/mailbox: Enable mulitple mailbox command sets Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 03/17] cxl/mbox: Pull the payload out of struct cxl_cmd and make instances constant Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 04/17] hw/mbox: Split mailbox command payload into separate input and output Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 05/17] cxl/mbox: Pull the CCI definition out of the CXLDeviceState Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 06/17] cxl/mbox: Generalize the CCI command processing Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 07/17] hw/acpi/aml-build: add function for i2c slave device serial bus description Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 08/17] hw/i2c: add mctp core Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/17] i2c/mctp: Allow receiving messages to dest eid 0 Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/17] misc/i2c_mctp_cxl: Initial device emulation Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-18 21:30   ` Gregory Price
2023-07-19  8:19     ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-19  8:19       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-19 18:49       ` Gregory Price
2023-07-20 12:18         ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
2023-07-20 12:18           ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-20 19:33           ` Gregory Price
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 11/17] HACK: arm/virt: Add aspeed-i2c controller and MCTP EP to enable MCTP testing Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 12/17] HACK: hw/arm/virt: Add ACPI support for aspeed-i2c / mctp Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 13/17] HACK: hw/i386/pc: Add Aspeed i2c controller + MCTP with ACPI tables Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 14/17] docs: cxl: Add example commandline for MCTP CXL CCIs Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 15/17] hw/cxl: Add a switch mailbox CCI function Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 16/17] hw/cxl: Implement Physical Ports status retrieval Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2023-07-17 17:16 ` [RFC PATCH 17/17] hw/cxl: Add tunneled command support to mailbox for switch cci Jonathan Cameron
2023-07-17 17:16   ` Jonathan Cameron via

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