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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Hanna Czenczek" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	"German Maglione" <gmaglione@redhat.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Anton Kuchin" <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
Subject: [Virtio-fs] (no subject)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 13:15:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231005131352-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231005170852.GB1342722@fedora>

On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:08:52PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:57PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote:
> > There is no clearly defined purpose for the virtio status byte in
> > vhost-user: For resetting, we already have RESET_DEVICE; and for virtio
> > feature negotiation, we have [GS]ET_FEATURES.  With the REPLY_ACK
> > protocol extension, it is possible for SET_FEATURES to return errors
> > (SET_PROTOCOL_FEATURES may be called before SET_FEATURES).
> > 
> > As for implementations, SET_STATUS is not widely implemented.  dpdk does
> > implement it, but only uses it to signal feature negotiation failure.
> > While it does log reset requests (SET_STATUS 0) as such, it effectively
> > ignores them, in contrast to RESET_OWNER (which is deprecated, and today
> > means the same thing as RESET_DEVICE).
> > 
> > While qemu superficially has support for [GS]ET_STATUS, it does not
> > forward the guest-set status byte, but instead just makes it up
> > internally, and actually completely ignores what the back-end returns,
> > only using it as the template for a subsequent SET_STATUS to add single
> > bits to it.  Notably, after setting FEATURES_OK, it never reads it back
> > to see whether the flag is still set, which is the only way in which
> > dpdk uses the status byte.
> > 
> > As-is, no front-end or back-end can rely on the other side handling this
> > field in a useful manner, and it also provides no practical use over
> > other mechanisms the vhost-user protocol has, which are more clearly
> > defined.  Deprecate it.
> > 
> > Suggested-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++-------
> >  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> 
> Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>


SET_STATUS is the only way to signal failure to acknowledge FEATURES_OK.
The fact current backends never check errors does not mean they never
will. So no, not applying this.

-- 
MST


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Hanna Czenczek" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	"German Maglione" <gmaglione@redhat.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Anton Kuchin" <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 13:15:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231005131352-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231005170852.GB1342722@fedora>

On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:08:52PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:57PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote:
> > There is no clearly defined purpose for the virtio status byte in
> > vhost-user: For resetting, we already have RESET_DEVICE; and for virtio
> > feature negotiation, we have [GS]ET_FEATURES.  With the REPLY_ACK
> > protocol extension, it is possible for SET_FEATURES to return errors
> > (SET_PROTOCOL_FEATURES may be called before SET_FEATURES).
> > 
> > As for implementations, SET_STATUS is not widely implemented.  dpdk does
> > implement it, but only uses it to signal feature negotiation failure.
> > While it does log reset requests (SET_STATUS 0) as such, it effectively
> > ignores them, in contrast to RESET_OWNER (which is deprecated, and today
> > means the same thing as RESET_DEVICE).
> > 
> > While qemu superficially has support for [GS]ET_STATUS, it does not
> > forward the guest-set status byte, but instead just makes it up
> > internally, and actually completely ignores what the back-end returns,
> > only using it as the template for a subsequent SET_STATUS to add single
> > bits to it.  Notably, after setting FEATURES_OK, it never reads it back
> > to see whether the flag is still set, which is the only way in which
> > dpdk uses the status byte.
> > 
> > As-is, no front-end or back-end can rely on the other side handling this
> > field in a useful manner, and it also provides no practical use over
> > other mechanisms the vhost-user protocol has, which are more clearly
> > defined.  Deprecate it.
> > 
> > Suggested-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++-------
> >  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> 
> Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>


SET_STATUS is the only way to signal failure to acknowledge FEATURES_OK.
The fact current backends never check errors does not mean they never
will. So no, not applying this.

-- 
MST



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-05 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-04 12:58 [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] vhost-user: Back-end state migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58 ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 1/8] vhost-user.rst: Deprecate [GS]ET_STATUS Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:08   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:08     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-10-05 17:15       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  7:48       ` [Virtio-fs] (no subject) Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06  8:45         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  9:15           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06  9:26             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  9:47               ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 10:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06 11:42                   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 15:17                     ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-06 15:47                       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 20:49                         ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-09  8:07                           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-07  2:22                   ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-09  8:21                     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09  9:07                       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09  9:13                         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10  4:00                           ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-10  8:18                             ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10 10:36                               ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-10 13:18                                 ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10 14:35                                   ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-13 18:02                                     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-17  7:49                                       ` Viresh Kumar
2023-10-17  8:13                                         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09 10:28                     ` German Maglione
2023-10-10  2:56                       ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-10 10:04                         ` German Maglione
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:38   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:38     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-06  7:53     ` [Virtio-fs] " Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06  8:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06 13:55         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 13:58           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-07 21:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-07 21:27           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 3/8] vhost-user.rst: Clarify enabling/disabling vrings Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:43   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:43     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-18 12:14   ` [Virtio-fs] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-18 12:14     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-18 16:17     ` [Virtio-fs] " Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-18 16:17       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 4/8] vhost-user.rst: Introduce suspended state Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:44   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:44     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 5/8] vhost-user.rst: Migrating back-end-internal state Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 6/8] vhost-user: Interface for migration state transfer Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 7/8] vhost: Add high-level state save/load functions Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 8/8] vhost-user-fs: Implement internal migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:48 ` [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] vhost-user: Back-end state migration Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:48   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-17  7:43 [Virtio-fs] (no subject) kado can

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