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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Łukasz Bartosik" <lb@semihalf.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Sean Paul" <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] dynamic_debug: add support for logs destination
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 13:39:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231012133944.69711822@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZSfCMBXOOi9Luc6F@phenom.ffwll.local>

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:53:52 +0200
Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:55:48AM +0300, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 11:42:24 +0200
> > Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:48:16AM +0300, Pekka Paalanen wrote:  

...

> > > > - all selections tailored separately for each userspace subscriber
> > > > (- per open device file description selection of messages)    
> > > 
> > > Again this feels like a userspace problem. Sessions could register what
> > > kind of info they need for their session, and something like journald can
> > > figure out how to record it all.  
> > 
> > Only if the kernel actually attaches all the required information to
> > the debug messages *in machine readable form* so that userspace
> > actually can do the filtering. And that makes *that* information UABI.
> > Maybe that's fine? I wouldn't know.  
> 
> Well if you configure the filters to go into separate ringbuffers for each
> session (or whatever you want to split) it also becomes uapi.

It's a different UAPI: filter configuration vs. message structure. I
don't mind which it is, I just suspect one is easier to maintain and
extend than the other.

> Also I'd say that for the first cut just getting the logs out on demand
> should be good enough, multi-gpu (or multi-compositor) systems are a step
> further. We can figure those out when we get there.

This reminds me of what you recently said in IRC about a very different
topic:

	<sima> swick[m], tell this past me roughly 10 years ago, would
	have been easy to add into the design back when there was no
	driver code yet 

I just want to mention today everything I can see as useful. It's up to
the people doing the actual work to decide what they include and how.


Thanks,
pq

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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: jim.cromie@gmail.com, "Łukasz Bartosik" <lb@semihalf.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Sean Paul" <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] dynamic_debug: add support for logs destination
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 13:39:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231012133944.69711822@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZSfCMBXOOi9Luc6F@phenom.ffwll.local>

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:53:52 +0200
Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:55:48AM +0300, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 11:42:24 +0200
> > Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:48:16AM +0300, Pekka Paalanen wrote:  

...

> > > > - all selections tailored separately for each userspace subscriber
> > > > (- per open device file description selection of messages)    
> > > 
> > > Again this feels like a userspace problem. Sessions could register what
> > > kind of info they need for their session, and something like journald can
> > > figure out how to record it all.  
> > 
> > Only if the kernel actually attaches all the required information to
> > the debug messages *in machine readable form* so that userspace
> > actually can do the filtering. And that makes *that* information UABI.
> > Maybe that's fine? I wouldn't know.  
> 
> Well if you configure the filters to go into separate ringbuffers for each
> session (or whatever you want to split) it also becomes uapi.

It's a different UAPI: filter configuration vs. message structure. I
don't mind which it is, I just suspect one is easier to maintain and
extend than the other.

> Also I'd say that for the first cut just getting the logs out on demand
> should be good enough, multi-gpu (or multi-compositor) systems are a step
> further. We can figure those out when we get there.

This reminds me of what you recently said in IRC about a very different
topic:

	<sima> swick[m], tell this past me roughly 10 years ago, would
	have been easy to add into the design back when there was no
	driver code yet 

I just want to mention today everything I can see as useful. It's up to
the people doing the actual work to decide what they include and how.


Thanks,
pq

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-12 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-15 15:48 [PATCH v1] dynamic_debug: add support for logs destination Łukasz Bartosik
2023-09-15 18:02 ` jim.cromie
2023-09-18  7:20   ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-02 10:07     ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-02 20:49     ` jim.cromie
2023-10-03 19:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-03 20:53         ` jim.cromie
2023-10-04 10:55           ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-05 17:14             ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-06 20:49             ` jim.cromie
2023-10-09 22:47               ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-10 16:01                 ` jim.cromie
2023-10-10 16:06                   ` jim.cromie
2023-10-11  8:48                     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-10-11  8:48                       ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-10-11  9:42                       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-11  9:42                         ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-11 13:59                         ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-12  8:55                         ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-10-12  8:55                           ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-10-12  9:53                           ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-12  9:53                             ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-12 10:39                             ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2023-10-12 10:39                               ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-10-12 13:18                               ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-12 13:18                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-10-16 15:03                             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-16 15:03                               ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-12 18:48                         ` jim.cromie
2023-10-16 15:13                           ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-16 15:13                             ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-18  3:08                             ` jim.cromie
2023-10-18  3:08                               ` jim.cromie
2023-10-19 13:21                               ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-19 13:21                                 ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-11 13:47                   ` Łukasz Bartosik
2023-10-24 16:24 ` Jason Baron
2023-10-25  7:58   ` Łukasz Bartosik

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