From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] rust: types: Add read_once and write_once
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:16:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231026111625.GK33965@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231026113610.1425be1b@eugeo>
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:36:10AM +0100, Gary Guo wrote:
> There's two reasons that we are using volatile read/write as opposed to
> relaxed atomic:
> * Rust lacks volatile atomics at the moment. Non-volatile atomics are
> not sufficient because the compiler is allowed (although they
> currently don't) optimise atomics. If you have two adjacent relaxed
> loads, they could be merged into one.
Ah yes, that would be problematic, eg, if lifted out of a loop things
could go sideways fast.
> * Atomics only works for integer types determined by the platform. On
> some 32-bit platforms you wouldn't be able to use 64-bit atomics at
> all, and on x86 you get less optimal sequence since volatile load is
> permitted to tear while atomic load needs to use LOCK CMPXCHG8B.
We only grudgingly allowed u64 READ_ONCE() on 32bit platforms because
the fallout was too numerous to fix. Some of them are probably bugs.
Also, I think cmpxchg8b without lock prefix would be sufficient, but
I've got too much of a head-ache to be sure. Worse is that we still
support targets without cmpxchg8b.
It might be interesting to make the Rust side more strict in this regard
and see where/when we run into trouble.
> * Atomics doesn't work for complex structs. Although I am not quite sure
> of the value of supporting it.
So on the C side we mandate the size is no larger than machine word,
with the exception of the u64 on 32bit thing. We don't mandate strict
integer types because things like pte_t are wrapper types.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-26 11:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-25 19:53 [RFC] rust: types: Add read_once and write_once Boqun Feng
2023-10-25 21:51 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-25 23:02 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 3:31 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 7:30 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-30 13:58 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-10-30 16:36 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-26 8:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 10:36 ` Gary Guo
2023-10-26 11:16 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-10-26 14:21 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 14:23 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 17:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-26 11:16 ` Marco Elver
2023-10-28 20:04 ` kernel test robot
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