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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] rust: types: Add read_once and write_once
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:31:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTndmXEBf37G84X-@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZTmelWlSncdtExXp@boqun-archlinux>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 04:02:45PM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
[...]
> > > +/// The counter part of C `READ_ONCE()`.
> > > +///
> > > +/// The semantics is exactly the same as `READ_ONCE()`, especially when used for intentional data
> > > +/// races.
> > 
> > It would be great if these semantics are either linked or spelled out
> > here. Ideally both.
> > 
> 
> Actually I haven't found any document about `READ_ONCE()` races with
> writes is not UB: we do have document saying `READ_ONCE()` will disable
> KCSAN checks, but no document says (explicitly) that it's not a UB.
> 

Apparently I wasn't carefully reading the doc, in
tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt, there is:

	In technical terms, the compiler is allowed to assume that when the
	program executes, there will not be any data races.  A "data race"
	occurs when there are two memory accesses such that:

	1.      they access the same location,

	2.      at least one of them is a store,

	3.      at least one of them is plain,

	4.      they occur on different CPUs (or in different threads on the
		same CPU), and

	5.      they execute concurrently.

the #3 limits that in LKMM, data races cannot happen if both accesses
are marked (i.e. not plain).

Thank Paul for bringing this to me, and I will update this accordingly
in the next version.

Regards,
Boqun

> > > +///
> > > +/// # Safety
> > > +///
> > > +/// * `src` must be valid for reads.
> > > +/// * `src` must be properly aligned.
> > > +/// * `src` must point to a properly initialized value of value `T`.
> > > +#[inline(always)]
> > > +pub unsafe fn read_once<T: Copy>(src: *const T) -> T {
> > 
> > Why only `T: Copy`?
> > 
[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-25 19:53 [RFC] rust: types: Add read_once and write_once Boqun Feng
2023-10-25 21:51 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-25 23:02   ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26  3:31     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-10-26  7:30     ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-30 13:58     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-10-30 16:36       ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-26  8:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 10:36   ` Gary Guo
2023-10-26 11:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 14:21       ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 14:23         ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-26 17:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-26 11:16 ` Marco Elver
2023-10-28 20:04 ` kernel test robot

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