From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
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Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
"lingshan.zhu@intel.com" <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v3 6/8] admin: Add theory of operation for write recording commands
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 12:25:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231116121958-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB54814EC9577B1197E2A13BDBDCB0A@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 04:26:53PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 5:18 PM
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 07:40:57AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 1:06 PM
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:51:40AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 05:29:54AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > > > > We should expose a limit of the device in the proposed
> > > > WRITE_RECORD_CAP_QUERY command, that how much range it can track.
> > > > > > So that future provisioning framework can use it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will cover this in v5 early next week.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do worry about how this can even work though. If you want a
> > > > > generic device you do not get to dictate how much memory VM has.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aren't we talking bit per page? With 1TByte of memory to track ->
> > > > > 256Gbit -> 32Gbit -> 8Gbyte per VF?
> > > >
> > > > Ugh. Actually of course:
> > > > With 1TByte of memory to track -> 256Mbit -> 32Mbit -> 8Mbyte per VF
> > > >
> > > > 8Gbyte per *PF* with 1K VFs.
> > > >
> > > Device may not maintain as a bitmap.
> >
> > However you maintain it, there's 256Mega bit of information.
> There may be other data structures that device may deploy as for example hash or tree or something else.
Point being?
> And this is runtime memory only during the short live migration period of 400msec or less.
> It is not some _always_ resident memory.
No - write tracking is used in the live phase of migration. It can be
enabled as long as you wish - it's a question of policy. There actually
exist solutions that utilize this phase for redundancy, permanently
running in this mode.
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MST
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2023-10-30 13:19 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 0/8] Introduce device migration support commands Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 1/8] admin: Add theory of operation for device migration Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 2/8] admin: Redefine reserved2 as command specific output Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 3/8] device-context: Define the device context fields for device migration Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 4/8] admin: Add device migration admin commands Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 5/8] admin: Add requirements of device migration commands Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 6/8] admin: Add theory of operation for write recording commands Parav Pandit
2023-10-31 1:43 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-10-31 3:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-10-31 7:45 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-31 9:32 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-31 9:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-31 9:47 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-01 0:29 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-01 3:02 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-02 4:24 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-02 6:10 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-06 6:34 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-06 6:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-07 4:04 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-07 7:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-08 4:28 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-08 8:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-08 9:00 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-08 17:16 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-09 6:27 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-09 3:31 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-09 7:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-10 6:46 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-13 3:41 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-13 14:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-14 2:03 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-14 7:52 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-15 17:37 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 4:24 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-16 6:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-21 4:21 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 16:24 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-22 4:11 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-16 6:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-13 3:31 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-13 6:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-14 7:34 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-14 7:59 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-14 8:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-15 4:05 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-15 7:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-15 7:59 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-15 8:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-15 8:42 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-15 11:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-16 9:38 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-16 12:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 9:50 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-17 9:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-14 7:57 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-14 9:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-15 17:42 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 4:18 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-16 5:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 10:15 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 10:48 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 11:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 11:32 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 12:15 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 12:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 12:49 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 13:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 14:49 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 15:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-09 6:26 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-15 7:59 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-15 17:42 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-09 6:24 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-13 3:37 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-15 17:38 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 4:23 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-16 5:29 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 5:51 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-16 7:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-16 7:40 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 11:48 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-16 16:26 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 17:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-11-16 17:29 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-16 18:20 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 3:02 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 8:46 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 9:14 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 9:37 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 9:41 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 9:44 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 9:51 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 9:54 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-17 10:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 10:10 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 9:57 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 10:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 10:52 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 12:22 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 12:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 12:51 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-21 5:16 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 16:29 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-21 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-22 3:46 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-22 7:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-22 4:17 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-22 4:34 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-24 3:15 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-17 9:52 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-17 9:59 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 10:00 ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-21 4:24 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 16:26 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-22 4:14 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-22 4:19 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-24 3:09 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-16 10:28 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-16 11:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 9:59 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-11-17 10:03 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 11:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 11:05 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 11:45 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 12:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 12:11 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 12:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 13:03 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 14:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-17 14:48 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-17 14:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-21 6:55 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 16:30 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-22 4:19 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-22 4:28 ` Parav Pandit
2023-11-24 3:08 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-22 2:31 ` Si-Wei Liu
2023-11-22 5:31 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-23 13:19 ` Si-Wei Liu
2023-11-23 14:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 2:29 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-28 3:00 ` Si-Wei Liu
2023-11-29 5:12 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-17 10:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-21 4:23 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 7:14 ` Jason Wang
2023-11-21 16:31 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-22 4:28 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-22 6:41 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-11-24 3:06 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-11-15 7:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 7/8] admin: Add " Parav Pandit
2023-10-30 13:19 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 8/8] admin: Add requirements of write reporting commands Parav Pandit
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