From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Michael Shavit <mshavit@google.com>
Cc: iommu@lists.linux.dev, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>,
Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
patches@lists.linux.dev,
Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make changing domains be hitless for ATS
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:32:32 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240321173232.GM1044235@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKHBV26dSY+Gy-x9HTWVCcNMyAkB1g+Y+dv-Lg+-furpu9bnSw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:53:20PM +0800, Michael Shavit wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:28 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 08:26:43PM +0800, Michael Shavit wrote:
> > > Overall I think the patch works, but it took me a while to really
> > > digest the big picture. Just to make sure I fully understand:
> > >
> > > We're trying to satisfy the following invariants for correctness:
> > > 1. Devices cannot get translations from a domain that was detached
> > > after arm_smmu_attach_dev() returns.
> >
> > Yes, regardless of ATS this is the API requirement.
> >
> > > 2. Devices cannot get cached translations from a domain after
> > > arm_smmu_atc_inv_domain() returns, regardless of whether the domain is
> > > simultaneously being attached/detached from a device.
> >
> > There is no simultaneously here since the group lock is held by the
> > core code.
>
> I meant a call to arm_smmu_attach_dev concurrent with
> arm_smmu_atc_inv_domain (through tlb_flush_all).
Oh, yes that is the concurrency that drives alot of this organization
> > Yes, we can't just disable ATS due to the PASIDs. A SVA PASID might be
> > present and disabling ATS to change the RID domain would completely
> > wreck it. Today this scenario is prevented by sva_enable, which is
> > removed in following patches.
>
> What do you mean by wrecking? We might slow it down to a crawl but we
> wouldn't be corrupting or destroying anything by disabling ATS while
> SVA is running would we?
> Oh does disabling ATS abort all transactions rather than making it transparent?
As you deduced, without ATS a non-present page will return an abort
back to the device instead of a non-present ATS reply which should
then trigger PRI.
IOW the SVA domain can no longer handle page faults and is effectively
non-functioning if ATS is disabled.
Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Michael Shavit <mshavit@google.com>
Cc: iommu@lists.linux.dev, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>,
Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
patches@lists.linux.dev,
Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make changing domains be hitless for ATS
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:32:32 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240321173232.GM1044235@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKHBV26dSY+Gy-x9HTWVCcNMyAkB1g+Y+dv-Lg+-furpu9bnSw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:53:20PM +0800, Michael Shavit wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:28 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 08:26:43PM +0800, Michael Shavit wrote:
> > > Overall I think the patch works, but it took me a while to really
> > > digest the big picture. Just to make sure I fully understand:
> > >
> > > We're trying to satisfy the following invariants for correctness:
> > > 1. Devices cannot get translations from a domain that was detached
> > > after arm_smmu_attach_dev() returns.
> >
> > Yes, regardless of ATS this is the API requirement.
> >
> > > 2. Devices cannot get cached translations from a domain after
> > > arm_smmu_atc_inv_domain() returns, regardless of whether the domain is
> > > simultaneously being attached/detached from a device.
> >
> > There is no simultaneously here since the group lock is held by the
> > core code.
>
> I meant a call to arm_smmu_attach_dev concurrent with
> arm_smmu_atc_inv_domain (through tlb_flush_all).
Oh, yes that is the concurrency that drives alot of this organization
> > Yes, we can't just disable ATS due to the PASIDs. A SVA PASID might be
> > present and disabling ATS to change the RID domain would completely
> > wreck it. Today this scenario is prevented by sva_enable, which is
> > removed in following patches.
>
> What do you mean by wrecking? We might slow it down to a crawl but we
> wouldn't be corrupting or destroying anything by disabling ATS while
> SVA is running would we?
> Oh does disabling ATS abort all transactions rather than making it transparent?
As you deduced, without ATS a non-present page will return an abort
back to the device instead of a non-present ATS reply which should
then trigger PRI.
IOW the SVA domain can no longer handle page faults and is effectively
non-functioning if ATS is disabled.
Jason
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2024-03-04 23:43 [PATCH v5 00/27] Update SMMUv3 to the modern iommu API (part 2/3) Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 01/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Do not allow a SVA domain to be set on the wrong PASID Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-15 3:38 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 3:38 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-18 18:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-18 18:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22 17:48 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 17:48 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-26 18:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 18:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 19:06 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-26 19:06 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-26 22:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 22:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 02/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Do not ATC invalidate the entire domain Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 9:18 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 9:18 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-15 2:24 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 2:24 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-16 18:09 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-16 18:09 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-22 17:51 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 17:51 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 03/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add a type for the CD entry Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 9:44 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 9:44 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-16 18:10 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-16 18:10 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-18 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-18 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-15 3:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 3:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-22 17:52 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 17:52 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 04/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add an ops indirection to the STE code Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 11:30 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 11:30 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-15 4:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 4:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 5:20 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 5:20 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-18 18:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-18 18:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22 18:14 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 18:14 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 21:01 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 21:01 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 05/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make CD programming use arm_smmu_write_entry() Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-15 7:52 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 7:52 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-20 12:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 12:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-16 18:14 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-16 18:14 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-23 13:02 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-23 13:02 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 18:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 18:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 19:12 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-26 19:12 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-26 22:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-26 22:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-27 9:45 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-27 9:45 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-27 16:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-27 16:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 06/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Consolidate clearing a CD table entry Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 11:57 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 11:57 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-15 6:17 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-15 6:17 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-16 18:15 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-16 18:15 ` Moritz Fischer
2024-03-22 18:36 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 18:36 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 21:02 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 21:02 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 07/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move the CD generation for S1 domains into a function Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 12:13 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 12:13 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-18 18:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-18 18:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-23 13:11 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-23 13:11 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 08/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move allocation of the cdtable into arm_smmu_get_cd_ptr() Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 12:15 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 12:15 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-16 3:31 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-16 3:31 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-22 19:07 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 19:07 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 21:03 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 21:03 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 09/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Allocate the CD table entry in advance Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-13 12:17 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-13 12:17 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-16 4:16 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-16 4:16 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-18 18:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-18 18:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22 19:15 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-22 19:15 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 10/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move the CD generation for SVA into a function Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-16 5:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-16 5:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2024-03-20 13:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 13:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` [PATCH v5 11/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Build the whole CD in arm_smmu_make_s1_cd() Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-15 10:04 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-15 10:04 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 12:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 12:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-23 13:20 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-23 13:20 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 12/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Start building a generic PASID layer Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 16:11 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 16:11 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 18:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 18:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 13/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make smmu_domain->devices into an allocated list Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 13:09 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 13:09 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 14/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make changing domains be hitless for ATS Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-21 12:26 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 12:26 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 13:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-21 13:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-21 14:53 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 14:53 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 14:57 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 14:57 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 17:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-03-21 17:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 15/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add ssid to struct arm_smmu_master_domain Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 13:31 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 13:31 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 12:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 12:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 16/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Keep track of valid CD entries in the cd_table Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 13:55 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 13:55 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 18:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 18:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 17/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Thread SSID through the arm_smmu_attach_*() interface Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 18/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Make SVA allocate a normal arm_smmu_domain Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 14:52 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 14:52 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 19/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Keep track of arm_smmu_master_domain for SVA Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-21 10:47 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 10:47 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-21 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-21 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 20/27] iommu: Add ops->domain_alloc_sva() Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 15:09 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 15:09 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 21/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Put the SVA mmu notifier in the smmu_domain Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 16:23 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 16:23 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 18:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 18:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 22/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Consolidate freeing the ASID/VMID Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 16:44 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 16:44 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 18:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 18:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 23/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move the arm_smmu_asid_xa to per-smmu like vmid Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 24/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Bring back SVA BTM support Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 17:07 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-19 17:07 ` Michael Shavit
2024-03-20 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 25/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Allow IDENTITY/BLOCKED to be set while PASID is used Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 26/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Allow a PASID to be set when RID is IDENTITY/BLOCKED Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` [PATCH v5 27/27] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Allow setting a S1 domain to a PASID Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 23:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-15 10:40 ` [PATCH v5 00/27] Update SMMUv3 to the modern iommu API (part 2/3) Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-03-15 10:40 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-03-23 13:38 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-23 13:38 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 14:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 14:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 21:06 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 21:06 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 22:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 22:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 10:22 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 10:22 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 10:44 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-03-25 10:44 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-03-25 11:22 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 11:22 ` Mostafa Saleh
2024-03-25 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-25 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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