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From: Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>
To: Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@linaro.org>,
	"Sebastian Reichel" <sre@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>, Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	Andy Yan <andy.yan@rock-chips.com>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>,
	"Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala" <quic_satyap@quicinc.com>,
	Melody Olvera <quic_molvera@quicinc.com>,
	Shivendra Pratap <quic_spratap@quicinc.com>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Implement vendor resets for PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:52:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240418104330754-0700.eberman@hu-eberman-lv.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fda6e9f8-5c86-4e8f-a40b-986708e1b03b@broadcom.com>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 03:01:00PM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 4/17/24 14:54, Elliot Berman wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:35:22AM +0100, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:30:23PM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
> > > > The PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2 call allows vendor firmware to define additional
> > > > reset types which could be mapped to the reboot argument.
> > > > 
> > > > Setting up reboot on Qualcomm devices can be inconsistent from chipset
> > > > to chipset.
> > > 
> > > That doesn't sound good. Do you mean PSCI SYSTEM_RESET doesn't work as
> > > expected ? Does it mean it is not conformant to the specification ?
> > > 
> > 
> > I was motivating the reason for using SYSTEM_RESET2. How to set the PMIC
> > register and IMEM cookie can change between chipsets. Using
> > SYSTEM_RESET2 alows us to abstract how to perform the reset.
> > 
> > > > Generally, there is a PMIC register that gets written to
> > > > decide the reboot type. There is also sometimes a cookie that can be
> > > > written to indicate that the bootloader should behave differently than a
> > > > regular boot. These knobs evolve over product generations and require
> > > > more drivers. Qualcomm firmwares are beginning to expose vendor
> > > > SYSTEM_RESET2 types to simplify driver requirements from Linux.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Why can't this be fully userspace driven ? What is the need to keep the
> > > cookie in the DT ?
> > 
> > As Dmitry pointed out, this information isn't discoverable. I suppose
> > we could technically use bootconfig or kernel command-line to convey the
> > map although I think devicetree is the right spot for this mapping.
> > 
> > - Other vendor-specific bits for PSCI are described in the devicetree.
> >    One example is the suspend param (e.g. the StateID) for cpu idle
> >    states.
> > - Describing firmware bits in the DT isn't unprecedented, and putting
> >    this information outside the DT means that other OSes (besides Linux)
> >    need their own way to convey this information.
> > - PSCI would be the odd one out that reboot mode map is not described in
> >    DT. Other reboot-mode drivers specify the mapping in the DT. Userspace
> >    that runs with firmware that support vendor reset2 need to make sure
> >    they can configure the mapping early enough.
> 
> FWIW, I read Sudeep's response as being specifically inquiring about the
> 'cookie' parameter, do you see a need for that to be in described in the DT
> or could that just be an user-space parameter that is conveyed through the
> reboot system call?

Ah, I had thought the ask was for the reboot type as well as the cookie.
We don't do this for hardware-based reboot mode cookies and I didn't see
why we should ask userspace to do something different for PSCI.
It seems to me that SYSTEM_RESET2 fits nicely with the existing design
for reboot-mode bindings.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>
To: Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@linaro.org>,
	"Sebastian Reichel" <sre@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>, Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	Andy Yan <andy.yan@rock-chips.com>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>,
	"Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala" <quic_satyap@quicinc.com>,
	Melody Olvera <quic_molvera@quicinc.com>,
	Shivendra Pratap <quic_spratap@quicinc.com>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Implement vendor resets for PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:52:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240418104330754-0700.eberman@hu-eberman-lv.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fda6e9f8-5c86-4e8f-a40b-986708e1b03b@broadcom.com>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 03:01:00PM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 4/17/24 14:54, Elliot Berman wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:35:22AM +0100, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:30:23PM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
> > > > The PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2 call allows vendor firmware to define additional
> > > > reset types which could be mapped to the reboot argument.
> > > > 
> > > > Setting up reboot on Qualcomm devices can be inconsistent from chipset
> > > > to chipset.
> > > 
> > > That doesn't sound good. Do you mean PSCI SYSTEM_RESET doesn't work as
> > > expected ? Does it mean it is not conformant to the specification ?
> > > 
> > 
> > I was motivating the reason for using SYSTEM_RESET2. How to set the PMIC
> > register and IMEM cookie can change between chipsets. Using
> > SYSTEM_RESET2 alows us to abstract how to perform the reset.
> > 
> > > > Generally, there is a PMIC register that gets written to
> > > > decide the reboot type. There is also sometimes a cookie that can be
> > > > written to indicate that the bootloader should behave differently than a
> > > > regular boot. These knobs evolve over product generations and require
> > > > more drivers. Qualcomm firmwares are beginning to expose vendor
> > > > SYSTEM_RESET2 types to simplify driver requirements from Linux.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Why can't this be fully userspace driven ? What is the need to keep the
> > > cookie in the DT ?
> > 
> > As Dmitry pointed out, this information isn't discoverable. I suppose
> > we could technically use bootconfig or kernel command-line to convey the
> > map although I think devicetree is the right spot for this mapping.
> > 
> > - Other vendor-specific bits for PSCI are described in the devicetree.
> >    One example is the suspend param (e.g. the StateID) for cpu idle
> >    states.
> > - Describing firmware bits in the DT isn't unprecedented, and putting
> >    this information outside the DT means that other OSes (besides Linux)
> >    need their own way to convey this information.
> > - PSCI would be the odd one out that reboot mode map is not described in
> >    DT. Other reboot-mode drivers specify the mapping in the DT. Userspace
> >    that runs with firmware that support vendor reset2 need to make sure
> >    they can configure the mapping early enough.
> 
> FWIW, I read Sudeep's response as being specifically inquiring about the
> 'cookie' parameter, do you see a need for that to be in described in the DT
> or could that just be an user-space parameter that is conveyed through the
> reboot system call?

Ah, I had thought the ask was for the reboot type as well as the cookie.
We don't do this for hardware-based reboot mode cookies and I didn't see
why we should ask userspace to do something different for PSCI.
It seems to me that SYSTEM_RESET2 fits nicely with the existing design
for reboot-mode bindings.


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  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-18 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-14 19:30 [PATCH v2 0/4] Implement vendor resets for PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2 Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30 ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] dt-bindings: power: reset: Convert mode-.* properties to array Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30   ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-20  0:50   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-04-20  0:50     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-04-14 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] dt-bindings: arm: Document reboot mode magic Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30   ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-15 19:34   ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-15 19:34     ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-16  9:30   ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-16  9:30     ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-16 12:32     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-04-16 12:32       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-04-14 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] firmware: psci: Read and use vendor reset types Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30   ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-15 19:39   ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-15 19:39     ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-14 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] arm64: dts: qcom: Add PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2 types for qcm6490-idp Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 19:30   ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-14 23:13   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-04-14 23:13     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-04-15  0:32     ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-15  0:32       ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-15 19:42       ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-15 19:42         ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-04-16  1:11         ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-16  1:11           ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-16  9:35 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Implement vendor resets for PSCI SYSTEM_RESET2 Sudeep Holla
2024-04-16  9:35   ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-17 17:50   ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-17 17:50     ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-19 12:38     ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-19 12:38       ` Sudeep Holla
2024-05-02  2:21       ` Elliot Berman
2024-05-02  2:21         ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-17 21:54   ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-17 21:54     ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-17 22:01     ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-17 22:01       ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-18 17:52       ` Elliot Berman [this message]
2024-04-18 17:52         ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-19  8:53     ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-19  8:53       ` Sudeep Holla
2024-04-19 23:31       ` Elliot Berman
2024-04-19 23:31         ` Elliot Berman

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