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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	WangYuli <wangyuli@uniontech.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Gautham R. Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Swapnil Sapkal <swapnil.sapkal@amd.com>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:32:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250202193214.GB6507@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgEj=1C08_PrqLLkBT28m5qYprf=k6MQt-m=dwuqYmKmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/02, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 at 09:02, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > And if we do care about performance... Could you look at the trivial patch
> > at the end? I don't think {a,c,m}time make any sense in the !fifo case, but
> > as you explained before they are visible to fstat() so we probably shouldn't
> > remove file_accessed/file_update_time unconditionally.
>
> I dislike that patch because if we actually want to do this, I don't
> think you are going far enough.

...

Oh yes, yes, I agree, and for the same reasons, including the unnecessary
sb_start_write_trylock() even if it is likely very cheap. Plus it doesn't
look consistent in that "f_flags & O_NOATIME" can be changed by fcntl()
but "i_flags & S_NOCMTIME" can't be changed. Not to mention that this
"feature" will probably be never used.

In case it was not clear, I just tried to measure how much
file_accessed/file_update_time hurt performance-wise. It turns out - a lot.
And the ugly O_NOATIME knob simplifies the before/after testing.

However, yes I was worried about fstat(). But,

> So I'd actually favor a "let's just remove time updates entirely for
> unnamed pipes", and see if anybody notices. Simpler and more
> straightforward.

OK, agreed. Will send the patch.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-02 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-02 14:07 [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-02 16:20 ` WangYuli
2025-01-02 16:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-04  8:42 ` Christian Brauner
2025-01-31  9:49 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-01-31 13:23   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-31 20:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 17:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-02 18:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 19:32         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-02-04 11:17         ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-03  9:05       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-02-04 13:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-24  9:26 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-24 14:24   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-24 18:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 14:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-25 11:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26  5:55       ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 11:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 17:56           ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 18:12             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 13:00       ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-03 15:46         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:18           ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-02-26 13:18     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 13:21       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 17:16         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 16:18       ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-27 16:34         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-27 21:12         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28  5:58           ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-28 14:30             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28 16:33               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03  9:46                 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-03-03 14:37                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 14:51                     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 15:31                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:54                         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 18:33                             ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:55                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 19:06                                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 20:27                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 20:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04  5:31                                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04  6:32                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 12:54                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 13:25                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 18:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 22:11                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05  4:40                                         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-05  4:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 13:51                                     ` [PATCH] fs/pipe: Read pipe->{head,tail} atomically outside pipe->mutex K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 18:36                                       ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-04 19:03                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-05 15:31                                     ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  9:48                                         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 14:42                                           ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  8:35                                       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  9:28                                       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 11:39                                       ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] pipe: Convert pipe->{head,tail} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] fs/pipe: Limit the slots in pipe_resize_ring() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:28                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:26                                             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] fs/splice: Atomically read pipe->{head,tail} in opipe_prep() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] treewide: pipe: Convert all references to pipe->{head,tail,max_usage,ring_size} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:32                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 12:41                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:33                                               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 18:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 14:27                                             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-03 18:32                           ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04  5:22                             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 16:49                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04  5:06                   ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04  5:35                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 10:29                       ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04 12:34                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 23:35                           ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04 23:49                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05  4:56                               ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-05 11:44                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05 22:46                                   ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-06  9:30                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07  6:08                                       ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07  6:24                                         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-07 10:46                                           ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07 11:29                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 12:34                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 23:56                                                 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-09 14:01                                                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-09 17:02                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 10:49                                                     ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-10 11:09                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 11:37                                                         ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-10 12:43                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 23:33                                                             ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-11  0:26                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-11  6:54                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                               ` <20250311112922.3342-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2025-03-11 11:53                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 11:26                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 12:50   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 13:52     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 15:59     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-27 16:28       ` Oleg Nesterov

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