From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/24] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-capability-analysis.h
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:33:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250207083335.GW7145@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANpmjNP6by9Kp0rf=ihwj_3j6AW+5aSm6L3LZ4NEW7uvBAV02Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 07:48:38PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 at 19:40, Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/6/25 10:09 AM, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > +/* Sparse context/lock checking support. */
> > > +# define __must_hold(x) __attribute__((context(x,1,1)))
> > > +# define __acquires(x) __attribute__((context(x,0,1)))
> > > +# define __cond_acquires(x) __attribute__((context(x,0,-1)))
> > > +# define __releases(x) __attribute__((context(x,1,0)))
> > > +# define __acquire(x) __context__(x,1)
> > > +# define __release(x) __context__(x,-1)
> > > +# define __cond_lock(x, c) ((c) ? ({ __acquire(x); 1; }) : 0)
> >
> > If support for Clang thread-safety attributes is added, an important
> > question is what to do with the sparse context attribute. I think that
> > more developers are working on improving and maintaining Clang than
> > sparse. How about reducing the workload of kernel maintainers by
> > only supporting the Clang thread-safety approach and by dropping support
> > for the sparse context attribute?
>
> My 2c: I think Sparse's context tracking is a subset, and generally
> less complete, favoring false negatives over false positives (also
> does not support guarded_by).
> So in theory they can co-exist.
> In practice, I agree, there will be issues with maintaining both,
> because there will always be some odd corner-case which doesn't quite
> work with one or the other (specifically Sparse is happy to auto-infer
> acquired and released capabilities/contexts of functions and doesn't
> warn you if you still hold a lock when returning from a function).
>
> I'd be in favor of deprecating Sparse's context tracking support,
> should there be consensus on that.
I don't think I've ever seen a useful sparse locking report, so yeah, no
tears shed on removing it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-07 8:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-06 18:09 [PATCH RFC 00/24] Compiler-Based Capability- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:09 ` [PATCH RFC 01/24] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-capability-analysis.h Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-06 18:48 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-07 8:33 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-02-06 18:09 ` [PATCH RFC 02/24] compiler-capability-analysis: Rename __cond_lock() to __cond_acquire() Marco Elver
2025-02-07 8:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 9:32 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-07 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 9:50 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:09 ` [PATCH RFC 03/24] compiler-capability-analysis: Add infrastructure for Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:09 ` [PATCH RFC 04/24] compiler-capability-analysis: Add test stub Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:09 ` [PATCH RFC 05/24] Documentation: Add documentation for Compiler-Based Capability Analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 06/24] checkpatch: Warn about capability_unsafe() without comment Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 07/24] cleanup: Basic compatibility with capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 21:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-06 22:01 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 08/24] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for " Marco Elver
2025-02-10 18:09 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-10 18:23 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-10 18:53 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-11 13:55 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 09/24] locking/rwlock, spinlock: Support Clang's " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 10/24] compiler-capability-analysis: Change __cond_acquires to take return value Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 11/24] locking/mutex: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-07 8:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 20:58 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 12/24] locking/seqlock: " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 13/24] bit_spinlock: Include missing <asm/processor.h> Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 14/24] bit_spinlock: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 15/24] rcu: " Marco Elver
2025-02-20 22:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-20 22:11 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-20 22:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21 0:16 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-21 1:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21 17:10 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-21 18:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21 18:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-21 19:46 ` Marco Elver
2025-02-21 19:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 16/24] srcu: " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 17/24] kref: Add capability-analysis annotations Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 18/24] locking/rwsem: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 19/24] locking/local_lock: " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 20/24] debugfs: Make debugfs_cancellation a capability struct Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 21/24] kfence: Enable capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 22/24] kcov: " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 23/24] stackdepot: " Marco Elver
2025-02-06 18:10 ` [PATCH RFC 24/24] rhashtable: " Marco Elver
2025-02-27 7:00 ` [PATCH RFC 00/24] Compiler-Based Capability- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
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