From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
paulmck@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:55:34 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250228185534.GH39591@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z8Dp9dM1MxhzuvmR@pollux>
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:40:53PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 06:00:13PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 01:25:10PM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > >
> > > Most of the cases, it should be naturally achieved, because you already
> > > bind the objects into your module or driver, otherwise they would be
> > > already cancelled and freed.
> >
> > I'm getting the feeling you can probably naturally achieve the
> > required destructors, but I think Danillo is concerned that since it
> > isn't *mandatory* it isn't safe/sound.
>
> Of course you can "naturally" achieve the required destructors, I even explained
> that in [1]. :-)
>
> And yes, for *device resources* it is unsound if we do not ensure that the
> device resource is actually dropped at device unbind.
Why not do a runtime validation then?
It would be easy to have an atomic counting how many devres objects
are still alive.
Have remove() WARN_ON to the atomic and a dumb sleep loop until it is 0.
Properly written drives never hit it. Buggy drivers will throw a
warning and otherwise function safely.
I'm thinking the standard design pattern is a problem that is too
complex for static analysis to solve.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-28 18:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-17 14:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] rust: add useful ops for u64 Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 20:47 ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-17 21:10 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-18 13:16 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18 20:51 ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-19 1:21 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19 3:24 ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 12:51 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19 20:22 ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 20:23 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-19 23:13 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-20 0:14 ` John Hubbard
2025-02-21 11:35 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-21 12:31 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 20:11 ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-18 10:07 ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-18 13:07 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-20 6:23 ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: make ETIMEDOUT error available Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:15 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer device Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 15:48 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Simona Vetter
2025-02-18 8:07 ` Greg KH
2025-02-18 13:23 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:33 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-18 1:46 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 10:26 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 12:58 ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-24 1:40 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-24 12:07 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 12:11 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 18:45 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-24 23:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:52 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 16:09 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 21:02 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 22:02 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 22:42 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-25 22:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-25 23:26 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 23:45 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 0:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 1:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 17:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 21:31 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 23:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 0:41 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 14:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 15:18 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 16:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:55 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 17:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 19:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 21:25 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 22:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 22:40 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-28 18:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-03-03 19:36 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-03 21:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04 9:57 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 1:02 ` Greg KH
2025-02-27 1:34 ` John Hubbard
2025-02-27 21:42 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-27 23:06 ` John Hubbard
2025-02-28 4:10 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28 18:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28 10:52 ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-28 18:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04 16:10 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-04 16:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-05 7:30 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-05 15:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 10:42 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 15:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 10:28 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 12:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 13:09 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 14:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-13 14:32 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-19 17:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 10:35 ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-21 12:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 12:12 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-21 17:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 18:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 14:00 ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 14:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 15:19 ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 15:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 14:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 11:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 15:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:51 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 14:11 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:06 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:23 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:53 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 21:37 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28 1:49 ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-28 2:24 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:35 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18 1:42 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:47 ` Alexandre Courbot
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