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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 13:07:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z7xg8uArPlr2gQBU@pollux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D80AK2CLL4AZ.1G6R7OBHOF08O@nvidia.com>

CC: Gary

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:40:00AM +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> This inability to sleep while we are accessing registers seems very
> constraining to me, if not dangerous. It is pretty common to have
> functions intermingle hardware accesses with other operations that might
> sleep, and this constraint means that in such cases the caller would
> need to perform guard lifetime management manually:
> 
>   let bar_guard = bar.try_access()?;
>   /* do something non-sleeping with bar_guard */
>   drop(bar_guard);
> 
>   /* do something that might sleep */
> 
>   let bar_guard = bar.try_access()?;
>   /* do something non-sleeping with bar_guard */
>   drop(bar_guard);
> 
>   ...
> 
> Failure to drop the guard potentially introduces a race condition, which
> will receive no compile-time warning and potentialy not even a runtime
> one unless lockdep is enabled. This problem does not exist with the
> equivalent C code AFAICT, which makes the Rust version actually more
> error-prone and dangerous, the opposite of what we are trying to achieve
> with Rust. Or am I missing something?

Generally you are right, but you have to see it from a different perspective.

What you describe is not an issue that comes from the design of the API, but is
a limitation of Rust in the kernel. People are aware of the issue and with klint
[1] there are solutions for that in the pipeline, see also [2] and [3].

[1] https://rust-for-linux.com/klint
[2] https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/klint/blob/trunk/doc/atomic_context.md
[3] https://www.memorysafety.org/blog/gary-guo-klint-rust-tools/

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-24 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-17 14:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] rust: add useful ops for u64 Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 20:47   ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-17 21:10   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-18 13:16     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18 20:51       ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-19  1:21         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19  3:24           ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 12:51             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19 20:22               ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 20:23                 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-19 23:13                   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-20  0:14                     ` John Hubbard
2025-02-21 11:35                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-21 12:31                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 20:11           ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-18 10:07   ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-18 13:07     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-20  6:23       ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: make ETIMEDOUT error available Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:15   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer device Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 15:48 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Simona Vetter
2025-02-18  8:07   ` Greg KH
2025-02-18 13:23     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:33 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-18  1:46   ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 10:26     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 12:58       ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-24  1:40     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-24 12:07       ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-02-24 12:11         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 18:45           ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-24 23:44             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:52               ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 16:09                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 21:02                   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 22:02                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 22:42                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-25 22:57                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-25 23:26                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 23:45                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26  0:49                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26  1:16                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 17:21                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 21:31                               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 23:47                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27  0:41                                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 14:46                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 15:18                                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 16:17                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:55                                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 17:32                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 19:23                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 21:25                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 22:00                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 22:40                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-28 18:55                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-03 19:36                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-03 21:50                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04  9:57                                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27  1:02                                   ` Greg KH
2025-02-27  1:34                                     ` John Hubbard
2025-02-27 21:42                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-27 23:06                                         ` John Hubbard
2025-02-28  4:10                                           ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28 18:50                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28 10:52                                       ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-28 18:40                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04 16:10                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-04 16:42                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-05  7:30                                               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-05 15:10                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 10:42                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 15:32                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 10:28                                                       ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 12:32                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 13:09                                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 14:55                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-13 14:32                                                               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-19 17:21                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 10:35                                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-21 12:04                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 12:12                                                                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-21 17:49                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 18:54                                                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 14:00                                                           ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 14:46                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 15:19                                                               ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 15:25                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 14:23                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 11:32                                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 15:07                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:51                                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 14:11         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:06           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:23             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:53               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 21:37           ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28  1:49             ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-28  2:24               ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:35   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18  1:42 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:47   ` Alexandre Courbot

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