From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, rafael@kernel.org,
Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
mcgrof@kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, david@fromorbit.com,
djwong@kernel.org, pavel@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 15:03:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250401-kindisch-lagen-cd19c8f66103@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s6rnz3ysjlu3rp6m56vua3vnlj53hbgxbbe3nj7v2ib5fg4l2i@py4pkvsgk2lr>
On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 11:32:49AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 01-04-25 02:32:45, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > The whole shebang can also be found at:
> > https://web.git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vfs/vfs.git/log/?h=work.freeze
> >
> > I know nothing about power or hibernation. I've tested it as best as I
> > could. Works for me (TM).
> >
> > I need to catch some actual sleep now...
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Now all the pieces are in place to actually allow the power subsystem to
> > freeze/thaw filesystems during suspend/resume. Filesystems are only
> > frozen and thawed if the power subsystem does actually own the freeze.
> >
> > Othwerwise it risks thawing filesystems it didn't own. This could be
> > done differently be e.g., keeping the filesystems that were actually
> > frozen on a list and then unfreezing them from that list. This is
> > disgustingly unclean though and reeks of an ugly hack.
> >
> > If the filesystem is already frozen by the time we've frozen all
> > userspace processes we don't care to freeze it again. That's userspace's
> > job once the process resumes. We only actually freeze filesystems if we
> > absolutely have to and we ignore other failures to freeze.
>
> Hum, I don't follow here. I supposed we'll use FREEZE_MAY_NEST |
> FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL for freezing from power subsystem. As far as I
> remember we have specifically designed nesting of freeze counters so that
> this way power subsystem can be sure freezing succeeds even if the
> filesystem is already frozen (by userspace or the kernel) and similarly
> power subsystem cannot thaw a filesystem frozen by somebody else. It will
> just drop its freeze refcount... What am I missing?
If we have 10 filesystems and suspend/hibernate manges to freeze 5 and
then fails on the 6th for whatever odd reason (current or future) then
power needs to undo the freeze of the first 5 filesystems. We can't just
walk the list again because while it's unlikely that a new filesystem
got added in the meantime we still cannot tell what filesystems the
power subsystem actually managed to get a freeze reference count on that
we need to drop during thaw.
There's various ways out of this ugliness. Either we record the
filesystems the power subsystem managed to freeze on a temporary list in
the callbacks and then walk that list backwards during thaw to undo the
freezing or we make sure that the power subsystem just actually
exclusively freezes things it can freeze and marking such filesystems as
being owned by power for the duration of the suspend or resume cycle. I
opted for the latter as that seemed the clean thing to do even if it
means more code changes. What are your thoughts on this?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-01 13:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-27 14:06 [RFC PATCH 0/4] vfs freeze/thaw on suspend/resume James Bottomley
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] locking/percpu-rwsem: add freezable alternative to down_read James Bottomley
2025-03-31 19:51 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:32 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 1:13 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-01 11:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 12:50 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 12:52 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 11:47 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] vfs: make sb_start_write freezable James Bottomley
2025-03-27 17:36 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] fs/super.c: introduce reverse superblock iterator and use it in emergency remount James Bottomley
2025-03-28 11:56 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 0/6] Extend freeze support to suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 18:58 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29 7:34 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 9:57 ` Jan Kara
2025-06-11 16:26 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12 12:20 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 9:58 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:00 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:01 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:07 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:15 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 11:30 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-31 10:23 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:25 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 14:04 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " James Bottomley
2025-03-29 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-30 8:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 11:53 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 14:00 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 9:13 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:36 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 14:49 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 0/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 1/2] libfs: export find_next_child() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 2/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 15:03 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 19:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 7:44 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:05 ` [PATCH 0/2] " Ard Biesheuvel
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 1/6] ext4: replace kthread freezing with auto fs freezing Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 9:16 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 9:35 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 10:08 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 2/6] btrfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 3/6] xfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 1:11 ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 7:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 11:35 ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 12:45 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: allow pagefault based writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 6/6] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 8:16 ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 9:32 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 13:03 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-04-01 16:57 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:56 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-03 19:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-04 10:24 ` [PATCH] fs: allow nesting with FREEZE_EXCL Christian Brauner
2025-04-07 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-07 11:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-05-09 10:38 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] fs: allow all writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 15:32 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 16:13 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:59 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 16:29 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] kernfs: add warning about implementing freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 15:00 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-20 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Askar Safin
2025-07-21 12:09 ` Jan Kara
2025-08-04 5:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-04 6:02 ` Askar Safin
2025-08-04 6:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-04-01 14:14 ` [PATCH 0/6] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 14:40 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 14:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 7:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-08 15:43 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:09 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:20 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:26 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:24 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-09 7:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management James Bottomley
2025-03-27 18:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-28 14:21 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 10:08 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:14 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 15:52 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29 8:23 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:01 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:40 ` James Bottomley
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