* [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide
@ 2025-06-06 13:21 Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-06 14:13 ` Andrea Cervesato via ltp
` (4 more replies)
0 siblings, 5 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Cyril Hrubis @ 2025-06-06 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ltp
While we have added a documentation on supported kernels, compilers, how
to compile and run LTP etc. Some kind of a comprehensive guide for
people new to LTP and kernel testing was missing. This patch adds a
short guide that tries to explain some of the pitfalls of kernel
testing. Feel free to point out what is missing and suggest additional
chapters.
Signed-off-by: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
---
doc/index.rst | 1 +
doc/users/testers_guide.rst | 129 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 130 insertions(+)
create mode 100644 doc/users/testers_guide.rst
diff --git a/doc/index.rst b/doc/index.rst
index c00a59d31..acd16cdbf 100644
--- a/doc/index.rst
+++ b/doc/index.rst
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@
users/quick_start
users/setup_tests
+ users/testers_guide
users/supported_systems
users/stats
users/test_catalog
diff --git a/doc/users/testers_guide.rst b/doc/users/testers_guide.rst
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..4232e8bef
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/users/testers_guide.rst
@@ -0,0 +1,129 @@
+.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
+
+Testers guide to the Linux test project
+=======================================
+
+While we try to make LTP work out of the box as much as possible there are
+still many things that testers need to consider before the actual testing
+starts. It's advisable to make a test plans in order to asses and formalize the
+expected test coverage or even just sit down for a while and consider different
+aspects of the problem at hand.
+
+
+Is testing even required?
+-------------------------
+
+Sometimes people tend to make an argument that there is no need to test the
+Linux kernel because it's heavily tested in upstream and hence very stable.
+That may be true, or at least one can say that upstream releases are not
+terribly unstable.
+
+However that argument holds only as long as you take the upstream sources
+verbatim, i.e. without any modifications and that includes taking the default
+.config optioins too. Once you stray away from what you consider the stable
+upstream source you introduce diffencies in behavior, possible bugs and
+problems into your codebase. That applies to patch backports too, it's quite
+easy to miss pre-requisites when backporting patches which may result in all
+kinds of breakages.
+
+
+Multi dimensionality
+--------------------
+
+First of all kernel testing is a multi dimensional problem, just compiling and
+running LTP will give you some coverage but very likely not enough. There are
+several big gaps that may be easily missed.
+
+For example 64bit Linux kernel provides compatibility layer for 32bit
+applications which code quality is usually a bit worse than the 64bit ABI.
+Hence recompiling LTP with -m32 in compiler flags and runnig both 64bit and
+32bit test binaries is a good start. If you try to make an argument that your
+application does not need 32bit support it's better to disable the compat layer
+completely since it's possible source of security bugs.
+
+Another dimension is the number of architectures you need to test, for a
+general distribution testing you may end up with a couple of them. Different
+architectures have different platform code as well as differencies in memory
+orderings, etc. that all means that running tests on one architecture out of
+several will give you incomplete coverage.
+
+You also have to decide if you are going to run tests in virtual machine e.g.
+qemu-kvm, on bare metal or both. Testing in virtual machine will give you about
+90% of the coverage for bare metal and vice versa.
+
+There are other options worth of consideration too, Linux kernel has many
+debugging options that are usually disabled on runtime since they incur
+singificant performance penalty. Having a few more LTP testruns with different
+debug options enabled e.g. KASAN may help catch bugs before they materialize in
+production.
+
+In practice your test matrix may easily explode and you may end up with dozens
+of differently configured testruns based on different considerations. The hard
+taks at hand is not to have too many since computing power is not an infinite
+resource and does not scale that easily. If you managed to read up to this
+point "Don't Panic" things are almost never as bad as they may seem at first
+glance.
+
+It's a good idea to start small with an evironment that models your production.
+Once that works well you can try different configurations. Select a few
+interesting ones and run them for some time in order to get an idea of their
+usefulness. If you are feeling adventurous you may try to measure and compare
+actual test coverage with one of the tools such as lcov. If you do so do not
+fall into a trap of attempting to have 100% line coverage. Having 100% of lines
+executed during the test does not mean that your test coverage is 100%. Good
+tests validate much more than just how much code from the tested binary was
+executed.
+
+You may need to sacrifice some coverage in order to match the tests runtime to
+the available computing power. When doing so Pareto principle is your friend.
+
+
+Test scope
+----------
+
+So far we were talking about a code coverage from a point of maximizing test
+coverage while keeping our test matrix as small as poissible. While that is a
+noble goal it's not the universal holy grail of testing. Different use cases
+have different considerations and scope. For a testing before the final release
+such testing is very desirable, however for a continuous integration or smoke
+testing the main requirement is that feedback loops are as short as possible.
+
+When a developer changes the kernel and submits the changes to be merged it's
+desirable to run some tests. Again the hard question is which tests. If we run
+all possible tests in all possible combinations it may take a day or two and
+the developer will move to a diffrent tasks before the tests have a chance to
+finish. If you multiply that by a number of developers in the team you may end
+up in a situation where a developer will retire before tests for his patch may
+have chance to finish.
+
+In this case careful selection of tests is even more important. Having less is
+more in this context. One of the first ideas for CI is to skip tests that run
+for more than a second or so, happily this can be easily done with kirk. In the
+future we may want to explore some heuristics that would map the code changes
+in kernel into a subset of tests, which would allow for a very quick feedback.
+
+
+Debugging test failures
+-----------------------
+
+You may think that you will enjoy some rest once you have your test matrix
+ready and your tests are running. Unfortunatelly that's where the actual work
+starts. Debugging test failures is probably the hardest part of the testing
+process. In some cases failures are easily reproducible and it's not that hard
+to locate the bug, either in the test or in the kernel itself. There are
+however, quite common, cases where the test failure reproduces only in 10% or
+even 1% of the test runs. That does not mean that there is no bug, that usually
+means that the bug depends on more prerequisities that have to manifest at the
+right time in order to trigger the failure. Sadly for modern systems that are
+asynchronous in nature such bugs are more and more common.
+
+The debugging process itself is not complicated at its nature. You have to
+attempt to undestand the failure by checking the logs, reading the source code,
+debugging with strace, gdb, etc. Then form a hypotesis and either prove or
+disprove it. Rinse and repeat until you end up with a clear description of what
+went wrong. Hopefully you will manage to find the root cause but you should not
+be discouraged if you do not. Debugging kernel bugs takes a lot of experience
+and skill one cay say as much as is needed write the kernel code.
+
+
+Happy testing!
--
2.49.0
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2025-06-06 13:21 [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide Cyril Hrubis
@ 2025-06-06 14:13 ` Andrea Cervesato via ltp
2025-06-06 15:03 ` Ricardo B. Marlière via ltp
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From: Andrea Cervesato via ltp @ 2025-06-06 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cyril Hrubis, ltp
It looks really good to me. Nice idea!
Reviewed-by: Andrea Cervesato <andrea.cervesato@suse.com>
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2025-06-06 13:21 [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-06 14:13 ` Andrea Cervesato via ltp
@ 2025-06-06 15:03 ` Ricardo B. Marlière via ltp
2025-06-08 16:21 ` [LTP] [External] : " ALOK TIWARI via ltp
` (2 subsequent siblings)
4 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo B. Marlière via ltp @ 2025-06-06 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cyril Hrubis, ltp; +Cc: ltp
Hi Cyril,
That's very good, thanks for writing this. A few minor typos and
suggestions below.
On Fri Jun 6, 2025 at 10:21 AM -03, Cyril Hrubis wrote:
> While we have added a documentation on supported kernels, compilers, how
> to compile and run LTP etc. Some kind of a comprehensive guide for
> people new to LTP and kernel testing was missing. This patch adds a
> short guide that tries to explain some of the pitfalls of kernel
> testing. Feel free to point out what is missing and suggest additional
> chapters.
>
> Signed-off-by: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
> ---
> doc/index.rst | 1 +
> doc/users/testers_guide.rst | 129 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 2 files changed, 130 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 doc/users/testers_guide.rst
>
> diff --git a/doc/index.rst b/doc/index.rst
> index c00a59d31..acd16cdbf 100644
> --- a/doc/index.rst
> +++ b/doc/index.rst
> @@ -9,6 +9,7 @@
>
> users/quick_start
> users/setup_tests
> + users/testers_guide
> users/supported_systems
> users/stats
> users/test_catalog
> diff --git a/doc/users/testers_guide.rst b/doc/users/testers_guide.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000..4232e8bef
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/doc/users/testers_guide.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@
> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
> +
> +Testers guide to the Linux test project
> +=======================================
> +
> +While we try to make LTP work out of the box as much as possible there are
> +still many things that testers need to consider before the actual testing
> +starts. It's advisable to make a test plans in order to asses and formalize the
> +expected test coverage or even just sit down for a while and consider different
> +aspects of the problem at hand.
> +
> +
> +Is testing even required?
> +-------------------------
> +
> +Sometimes people tend to make an argument that there is no need to test the
> +Linux kernel because it's heavily tested in upstream and hence very stable.
> +That may be true, or at least one can say that upstream releases are not
> +terribly unstable.
> +
> +However that argument holds only as long as you take the upstream sources
> +verbatim, i.e. without any modifications and that includes taking the default
> +.config optioins too. Once you stray away from what you consider the stable
optioins
> +upstream source you introduce diffencies in behavior, possible bugs and
diffencies
> +problems into your codebase. That applies to patch backports too, it's quite
> +easy to miss pre-requisites when backporting patches which may result in all
> +kinds of breakages.
> +
> +
> +Multi dimensionality
> +--------------------
> +
> +First of all kernel testing is a multi dimensional problem, just compiling and
> +running LTP will give you some coverage but very likely not enough. There are
> +several big gaps that may be easily missed.
> +
> +For example 64bit Linux kernel provides compatibility layer for 32bit
> +applications which code quality is usually a bit worse than the 64bit ABI.
> +Hence recompiling LTP with -m32 in compiler flags and runnig both 64bit and
> +32bit test binaries is a good start. If you try to make an argument that your
> +application does not need 32bit support it's better to disable the compat layer
> +completely since it's possible source of security bugs.
> +
> +Another dimension is the number of architectures you need to test, for a
> +general distribution testing you may end up with a couple of them. Different
> +architectures have different platform code as well as differencies in memory
> +orderings, etc. that all means that running tests on one architecture out of
> +several will give you incomplete coverage.
> +
> +You also have to decide if you are going to run tests in virtual machine e.g.
> +qemu-kvm, on bare metal or both. Testing in virtual machine will give you about
> +90% of the coverage for bare metal and vice versa.
> +
> +There are other options worth of consideration too, Linux kernel has many
> +debugging options that are usually disabled on runtime since they incur
> +singificant performance penalty. Having a few more LTP testruns with different
singificant
> +debug options enabled e.g. KASAN may help catch bugs before they materialize in
> +production.
> +
> +In practice your test matrix may easily explode and you may end up with dozens
> +of differently configured testruns based on different considerations. The hard
> +taks at hand is not to have too many since computing power is not an infinite
taks
is to not have ?
> +resource and does not scale that easily. If you managed to read up to this
> +point "Don't Panic" things are almost never as bad as they may seem at first
> +glance.
> +
> +It's a good idea to start small with an evironment that models your production.
evironment
> +Once that works well you can try different configurations. Select a few
> +interesting ones and run them for some time in order to get an idea of their
> +usefulness. If you are feeling adventurous you may try to measure and compare
> +actual test coverage with one of the tools such as lcov. If you do so do not
> +fall into a trap of attempting to have 100% line coverage. Having 100% of lines
> +executed during the test does not mean that your test coverage is 100%. Good
> +tests validate much more than just how much code from the tested binary was
> +executed.
> +
> +You may need to sacrifice some coverage in order to match the tests runtime to
> +the available computing power. When doing so Pareto principle is your friend.
> +
> +
> +Test scope
> +----------
> +
> +So far we were talking about a code coverage from a point of maximizing test
about code coverage ?
> +coverage while keeping our test matrix as small as poissible. While that is a
poissible
> +noble goal it's not the universal holy grail of testing. Different use cases
> +have different considerations and scope. For a testing before the final release
> +such testing is very desirable, however for a continuous integration or smoke
> +testing the main requirement is that feedback loops are as short as possible.
> +
> +When a developer changes the kernel and submits the changes to be merged it's
> +desirable to run some tests. Again the hard question is which tests. If we run
> +all possible tests in all possible combinations it may take a day or two and
> +the developer will move to a diffrent tasks before the tests have a chance to
> +finish. If you multiply that by a number of developers in the team you may end
> +up in a situation where a developer will retire before tests for his patch may
> +have chance to finish.
> +
> +In this case careful selection of tests is even more important. Having less is
> +more in this context. One of the first ideas for CI is to skip tests that run
> +for more than a second or so, happily this can be easily done with kirk. In the
> +future we may want to explore some heuristics that would map the code changes
> +in kernel into a subset of tests, which would allow for a very quick feedback.
> +
> +
> +Debugging test failures
> +-----------------------
> +
> +You may think that you will enjoy some rest once you have your test matrix
> +ready and your tests are running. Unfortunatelly that's where the actual work
Unfortunatelly
> +starts. Debugging test failures is probably the hardest part of the testing
> +process. In some cases failures are easily reproducible and it's not that hard
> +to locate the bug, either in the test or in the kernel itself. There are
> +however, quite common, cases where the test failure reproduces only in 10% or
quite commonly ?
> +even 1% of the test runs. That does not mean that there is no bug, that usually
> +means that the bug depends on more prerequisities that have to manifest at the
> +right time in order to trigger the failure. Sadly for modern systems that are
> +asynchronous in nature such bugs are more and more common.
> +
> +The debugging process itself is not complicated at its nature. You have to
> +attempt to undestand the failure by checking the logs, reading the source code,
> +debugging with strace, gdb, etc. Then form a hypotesis and either prove or
> +disprove it. Rinse and repeat until you end up with a clear description of what
> +went wrong. Hopefully you will manage to find the root cause but you should not
> +be discouraged if you do not. Debugging kernel bugs takes a lot of experience
> +and skill one cay say as much as is needed write the kernel code.
needed to ?
> +
> +
> +Happy testing!
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: [LTP] [External] : [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide
2025-06-06 13:21 [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-06 14:13 ` Andrea Cervesato via ltp
2025-06-06 15:03 ` Ricardo B. Marlière via ltp
@ 2025-06-08 16:21 ` ALOK TIWARI via ltp
2025-06-09 6:32 ` [LTP] " Petr Vorel
2025-06-09 14:52 ` Wei Gao via ltp
4 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: ALOK TIWARI via ltp @ 2025-06-08 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cyril Hrubis, ltp
There are some minor typos in addition to Ricardo's comments.
On 06-06-2025 18:51, Cyril Hrubis wrote:
> While we have added a documentation on supported kernels, compilers, how
> to compile and run LTP etc. Some kind of a comprehensive guide for
> people new to LTP and kernel testing was missing. This patch adds a
> short guide that tries to explain some of the pitfalls of kernel
> testing. Feel free to point out what is missing and suggest additional
> chapters.
>
> Signed-off-by: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
> ---
> doc/index.rst | 1 +
> doc/users/testers_guide.rst | 129 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 2 files changed, 130 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 doc/users/testers_guide.rst
[snip]
> +
> +Multi dimensionality
> +--------------------
> +
> +First of all kernel testing is a multi dimensional problem, just compiling and
> +running LTP will give you some coverage but very likely not enough. There are
> +several big gaps that may be easily missed.
> +
> +For example 64bit Linux kernel provides compatibility layer for 32bit
> +applications which code quality is usually a bit worse than the 64bit ABI.
> +Hence recompiling LTP with -m32 in compiler flags and runnig both 64bit and
typo runnig -> running
> +32bit test binaries is a good start. If you try to make an argument that your
> +application does not need 32bit support it's better to disable the compat layer
> +completely since it's possible source of security bugs.
> +
> +Another dimension is the number of architectures you need to test, for a
> +general distribution testing you may end up with a couple of them. Different
> +architectures have different platform code as well as differencies in memory
differencies -> differences
> +orderings, etc. that all means that running tests on one architecture out of
> +several will give you incomplete coverage.
> +
> +You also have to decide if you are going to run tests in virtual machine e.g.
> +qemu-kvm, on bare metal or both. Testing in virtual machine will give you about
> +90% of the coverage for bare metal and vice versa.
> +
> +There are other options worth of consideration too, Linux kernel has many
> +debugging options that are usually disabled on runtime since they incur
> +singificant performance penalty. Having a few more LTP testruns with different
> +debug options enabled e.g. KASAN may help catch bugs before they materialize in
> +production.
> +
> +In practice your test matrix may easily explode and you may end up with dozens
> +of differently configured testruns based on different considerations. The hard
> +taks at hand is not to have too many since computing power is not an infinite
> +resource and does not scale that easily. If you managed to read up to this
> +point "Don't Panic" things are almost never as bad as they may seem at first
> +glance.
> +
> +It's a good idea to start small with an evironment that models your production.
> +Once that works well you can try different configurations. Select a few
> +interesting ones and run them for some time in order to get an idea of their
> +usefulness. If you are feeling adventurous you may try to measure and compare
> +actual test coverage with one of the tools such as lcov. If you do so do not
> +fall into a trap of attempting to have 100% line coverage. Having 100% of lines
> +executed during the test does not mean that your test coverage is 100%. Good
> +tests validate much more than just how much code from the tested binary was
> +executed.
> +
> +You may need to sacrifice some coverage in order to match the tests runtime to
> +the available computing power. When doing so Pareto principle is your friend.
> +
> +
> +Test scope
> +----------
> +
> +So far we were talking about a code coverage from a point of maximizing test
> +coverage while keeping our test matrix as small as poissible. While that is a
> +noble goal it's not the universal holy grail of testing. Different use cases
> +have different considerations and scope. For a testing before the final release
testing before a final release
> +such testing is very desirable, however for a continuous integration or smoke
> +testing the main requirement is that feedback loops are as short as possible.
> +
> +When a developer changes the kernel and submits the changes to be merged it's
> +desirable to run some tests. Again the hard question is which tests. If we run
> +all possible tests in all possible combinations it may take a day or two and
> +the developer will move to a diffrent tasks before the tests have a chance to
typo diffrent -> different
> +finish. If you multiply that by a number of developers in the team you may end
> +up in a situation where a developer will retire before tests for his patch may
> +have chance to finish.
have had a chance to finish
> +
> +In this case careful selection of tests is even more important. Having less is
> +more in this context. One of the first ideas for CI is to skip tests that run
> +for more than a second or so, happily this can be easily done with kirk. In the
> +future we may want to explore some heuristics that would map the code changes
> +in kernel into a subset of tests, which would allow for a very quick feedback.
> +
> +
> +Debugging test failures
> +-----------------------
> +
> +You may think that you will enjoy some rest once you have your test matrix
> +ready and your tests are running. Unfortunatelly that's where the actual work
> +starts. Debugging test failures is probably the hardest part of the testing
> +process. In some cases failures are easily reproducible and it's not that hard
> +to locate the bug, either in the test or in the kernel itself. There are
> +however, quite common, cases where the test failure reproduces only in 10% or
> +even 1% of the test runs. That does not mean that there is no bug, that usually
> +means that the bug depends on more prerequisities that have to manifest at the
prerequisities -> prerequisites
> +right time in order to trigger the failure. Sadly for modern systems that are
> +asynchronous in nature such bugs are more and more common.
> +
> +The debugging process itself is not complicated at its nature. You have to
not complicated at its nature -> not complicated by nature
> +attempt to undestand the failure by checking the logs, reading the source code,
typo undestand -> understand
> +debugging with strace, gdb, etc. Then form a hypotesis and either prove or
hypotesis -> hypothesis
> +disprove it. Rinse and repeat until you end up with a clear description of what
> +went wrong. Hopefully you will manage to find the root cause but you should not
> +be discouraged if you do not. Debugging kernel bugs takes a lot of experience
> +and skill one cay say as much as is needed write the kernel code.
> +
> +
> +Happy testing!
Thanks,
Alok
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* Re: [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide
2025-06-06 13:21 [LTP] [PATCH] [RFC] doc: Add testers guide Cyril Hrubis
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2025-06-08 16:21 ` [LTP] [External] : " ALOK TIWARI via ltp
@ 2025-06-09 6:32 ` Petr Vorel
2025-06-09 14:52 ` Wei Gao via ltp
4 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Petr Vorel @ 2025-06-09 6:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cyril Hrubis; +Cc: ltp
Hi Cyril,
very nice reading, thank you!
I found one more typo to these which Ricardo and Alok Tiwari found:
+and skill one cay say as much as is needed write the kernel code.
cay -> can
With these typo fixed:
Reviewed-by: Petr Vorel <pvorel@suse.cz>
> +It's a good idea to start small with an evironment that models your production.
> +Once that works well you can try different configurations. Select a few
> +interesting ones and run them for some time in order to get an idea of their
> +usefulness. If you are feeling adventurous you may try to measure and compare
> +actual test coverage with one of the tools such as lcov. If you do so do not
People can use search engines, but maybe having lcov, pareto principle and kirk as links?
`lcov <https://github.com/linux-test-project/lcov>`_.
Maybe point out in "Debugging test failures" section about `-iN` or `-IN`
possibility and that how single core vs. more cores can influence the result?
Kind regards,
Petr
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2025-06-09 6:32 ` [LTP] " Petr Vorel
@ 2025-06-09 14:52 ` Wei Gao via ltp
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From: Wei Gao via ltp @ 2025-06-09 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cyril Hrubis; +Cc: ltp
This is great, just a few minor typos need fix.
Reviewed-by: : Wei Gao <wegao@suse.com>
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