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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Alex Mastro <amastro@fb.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 14:46:41 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250618174641.GB1629589@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFLvodROFN9QwvPp@x1.local>

On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 12:56:01PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> So I changed my mind, slightly.  I can still have the "order" parameter to
> make the API cleaner (even if it'll be a pure overhead.. because all
> existing caller will pass in PUD_SIZE as of now), 

That doesn't seem right, the callers should report the real value not
artifically cap it.. Like ARM does have page sizes greater than PUD
that might be interesting to enable someday for PFN users.

> but I think I'll still
> stick with the ifdef in patch 4, as I mentioned here:

> https://lore.kernel.org/all/aFGMG3763eSv9l8b@x1.local/
> 
> The problem is I just noticed yet again that exporting
> huge_mapping_get_va_aligned() for all configs doesn't make sense.  At least
> it'll need something like this to make !MMU compile for VFIO, while this is
> definitely some ugliness I also want to avoid..

IMHO this uglyness should certainly be contained to the mm code and not
leak into drivers.

> There's just no way to provide a sane default value for !MMU.

So all this mess seems to say that get_unmapped_area() is just the
wrong fop to have here. It can't be implemented sanely for !MMU and
has these weird conditions, like can't fail.

I again suggest to just simplify and add an new fop 

size_t get_best_mapping_order(struct file *filp, pgoff_t pgoff,
                              size_t length);

Which will return the largest pgoff aligned order within pgoff/length
that the FD could try to install. Very simple for the driver
side. vfio pci will just return ilog2(bar_size).

PAGE_SHIFT can be a safe default.

Then put all this maze of conditionals in the mm side replacing the
call to fops->get_unmapped_area() and don't export anything new. The
mm will automaticall cap the alignment based on what the architecture
can do and what 

!MMU would simply entirely ignore this new stuff.

> So going one step back: huge_mapping_get_va_aligned() (or whatever name we
> prefer) doesn't make sense to be exported always, but only when CONFIG_MMU.
> It should follow the same way we treat mm_get_unmapped_area().

We just deleted !SMP, I really wonder if it is time for !MMU to go
away too..

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-18 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-13 13:41 [PATCH 0/5] mm/vfio: huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Deduplicate mm_get_unmapped_area() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:55   ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 14:58   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 15:57   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 17:00     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-13 18:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16  8:01   ` David Laight
2025-06-17 21:13     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/hugetlb: Remove prepare_hugepage_range() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:59   ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 15:13   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 16:24     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14  4:11   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-17 21:07     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Rename __thp_get_unmapped_area to mm_get_unmapped_area_aligned Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:13     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:31         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:19   ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 18:33     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:36   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 18:45     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 19:18       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 20:34         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-14  5:58           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-14  5:23   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-16 12:14     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 12:20       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 12:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] vfio: Introduce vfio_device_ops.get_unmapped_area hook Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14 14:46   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-17 15:39     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 15:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 16:47         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:39           ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:01               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:26                   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:26     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 19:15         ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 23:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 22:06             ` Peter Xu
2025-06-16 23:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:56                 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:18                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:36                     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 16:56                       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 17:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-06-18 19:15                           ` Peter Xu
2025-06-19 13:58                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-19 14:55                               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-19 18:40                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 20:37                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 20:51                                     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 23:40                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25  0:48                                       ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 13:07                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 17:12                                           ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 18:41                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 19:26                                               ` Peter Xu
2025-06-30 14:05                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 20:58                                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-07-02 23:32                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 17:44   ` Alex Mastro
2025-06-13 18:53     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:09   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 19:21     ` Peter Xu

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