[ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Jakub Kicinski]

Hi!

The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join

Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
these. Luckily Daniel pinged.

Daniel do you think it still makes sense to talk about the PCS driver,
or did folks assume the that call is not happning?

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Sean Anderson]

Hi Jakub,

On 8/12/25 10:55, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> 
> Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
> 
> Daniel do you think it still makes sense to talk about the PCS driver,
> or did folks assume the that call is not happning?

I have a conflict every week at the meeting time, but I can join at 9 PDT.

--Sean

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Daniel Golle]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> 
> Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
> 
> Daniel do you think it still makes sense to talk about the PCS driver,
> or did folks assume the that call is not happning?

It could make sense to talk about it, but maybe we talk about other
topics first to Sean can join us as well. However, I think mostly we
depend on Russell or someone else to make a decision in terms of how the
three of us (Christian, Sean and I) should continue.

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Jakub Kicinski]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 16:16:53 +0100 Daniel Golle wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> > 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> > 
> > Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> > these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
> > 
> > Daniel do you think it still makes sense to talk about the PCS driver,
> > or did folks assume the that call is not happning?  
> 
> It could make sense to talk about it, but maybe we talk about other
> topics first to Sean can join us as well. However, I think mostly we
> depend on Russell or someone else to make a decision in terms of how the
> three of us (Christian, Sean and I) should continue.

Well, then I'm not sure if a meeting is the right approach in the first
place. Perhaps it's just my feeling but in corporate world managers call
meetings to force a decision (conclave-style). Upstream we force
decisions by having patches ready to be merged on the list.

I would like to avoid anyone ever feeling obligated to join a meeting
as part of their upstream work.

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Sean Anderson]

On 8/12/25 11:29, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 16:16:53 +0100 Daniel Golle wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> > The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
>> > 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
>> > 
>> > Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
>> > these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
>> > 
>> > Daniel do you think it still makes sense to talk about the PCS driver,
>> > or did folks assume the that call is not happning?  
>> 
>> It could make sense to talk about it, but maybe we talk about other
>> topics first to Sean can join us as well. However, I think mostly we
>> depend on Russell or someone else to make a decision in terms of how the
>> three of us (Christian, Sean and I) should continue.
> 
> Well, then I'm not sure if a meeting is the right approach in the first
> place. Perhaps it's just my feeling but in corporate world managers call
> meetings to force a decision (conclave-style). Upstream we force
> decisions by having patches ready to be merged on the list.
> 
> I would like to avoid anyone ever feeling obligated to join a meeting
> as part of their upstream work.

Personally, I am willing to swap things around as necessary, but I haven't
gotten that impression from Daniel/Christian. I have provided feedback on
Christian's series, but I haven't gotten the follow-up discussion I was
looking for. I think there may be a perception that Russell needs to make
a decision, but I think it would be better for us to come to an agreement
about the best architecture.

I think at this point I (and hopefully Daniel/Christian) have a good idea
of the strengths/limitations of our proposed implementations. I would like
to meet and discuss the best path forward in terms of how we want to solve
the problems. I would also appreciate input from the netdev maintainers who
may have broader experience and perspectives (and who are likely to spend
the most time interacting with whatever solution we come up with).

--Sean

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Russell King (Oracle)]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> 
> Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> these. Luckily Daniel pinged.

Only just seen this. Apparently, this is 4:30pm UK time, which was over
an hour ago.

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Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Daniel Golle]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:45:27PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> > 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> > 
> > Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> > these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
> 
> Only just seen this. Apparently, this is 4:30pm UK time, which was over
> an hour ago.

I was also confused by the date in the subject (August 12th) and the mail
body saying "tomorrow" which is the 13th...
So tomorrow (13th of August) it is?

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Russell King (Oracle)]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:57:20PM +0100, Daniel Golle wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:45:27PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
> > > 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
> > > 
> > > Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
> > > these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
> > 
> > Only just seen this. Apparently, this is 4:30pm UK time, which was over
> > an hour ago.
> 
> I was also confused by the date in the subject (August 12th) and the mail
> body saying "tomorrow" which is the 13th...
> So tomorrow (13th of August) it is?

Hmm, if it's tomorrow, I can only spare the first 30 minutes up to 5pm
BST.

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Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Jakub Kicinski]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:15:06 +0100 Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > > Only just seen this. Apparently, this is 4:30pm UK time, which was over
> > > an hour ago.  
> > 
> > I was also confused by the date in the subject (August 12th) and the mail
> > body saying "tomorrow" which is the 13th...
> > So tomorrow (13th of August) it is?  

Ugh, I need to automate these emails. It was today.

> Hmm, if it's tomorrow, I can only spare the first 30 minutes up to 5pm
> BST.

But I'm more than happy to open the room for you whenever you decide to
meet.

Re: [ANN] netdev call - Aug 12th

[Sean Anderson]

On 8/12/25 13:15, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:57:20PM +0100, Daniel Golle wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:45:27PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:55:10AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> > > Hi!
>> > > 
>> > > The bi-weekly call is scheduled for tomorrow at 8:30 am (PT) / 
>> > > 5:30 pm (~EU), at https://bbb.lwn.net/rooms/ldm-chf-zxx-we7/join
>> > > 
>> > > Sorry for the late announcement, I got out of the habit of sending
>> > > these. Luckily Daniel pinged.
>> > 
>> > Only just seen this. Apparently, this is 4:30pm UK time, which was over
>> > an hour ago.
>> 
>> I was also confused by the date in the subject (August 12th) and the mail
>> body saying "tomorrow" which is the 13th...
>> So tomorrow (13th of August) it is?
> 
> Hmm, if it's tomorrow, I can only spare the first 30 minutes up to 5pm
> BST.
> 

I cannot attend anything tomorrow. I'm available Thursday and Friday.

--Sean