From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
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"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
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linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V4 07/12] uaccess: Provide scoped user access regions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:20:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251022152006.4d461c8b@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251022103112.294959046@linutronix.de>
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:49:10 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> User space access regions are tedious and require similar code patterns all
> over the place:
>
> if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> This got worse with the recent addition of masked user access, which
> optimizes the speculation prevention:
>
> if (can_do_masked_user_access())
> from = masked_user_read_access_begin((from));
> else if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> There have been issues with using the wrong user_*_access_end() variant in
> the error path and other typical Copy&Pasta problems, e.g. using the wrong
> fault label in the user accessor which ends up using the wrong accesss end
> variant.
>
> These patterns beg for scopes with automatic cleanup. The resulting outcome
> is:
> scoped_user_read_access(from, Efault)
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> return 0;
> Efault:
> return -EFAULT;
>
> The scope guarantees the proper cleanup for the access mode is invoked both
> in the success and the failure (fault) path.
>
> The scoped_user_$MODE_access() macros are implemented as self terminating
> nested for() loops. Thanks to Andrew Cooper for pointing me at them. The
> scope can therefore be left with 'break', 'goto' and 'return'. Even
> 'continue' "works" due to the self termination mechanism.
I think that 'feature' should be marked as a 'bug', consider code like:
for (; len >= sizeof (*uaddr); uaddr++; len -= sizeof (*uaddr)) {
scoped_user_read_access(uaddr, Efault) {
int frag_len;
unsafe_get_user(frag_len, &uaddr->len, Efault);
if (!frag_len)
break;
...
}
...
}
The expectation would be that the 'break' applies to the visible 'for' loop.
But you need a 'goto' to escape from the visible loop.
Someone who groks the static checkers might want to try to detect
continue/break in those loops.
David
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"kernel test robot" <lkp@intel.com>,
"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
"Madhavan Srinivasan" <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, "Paul Walmsley" <pjw@kernel.org>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
"Julia Lawall" <Julia.Lawall@inria.fr>,
"Nicolas Palix" <nicolas.palix@imag.fr>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V4 07/12] uaccess: Provide scoped user access regions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:20:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251022152006.4d461c8b@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251022103112.294959046@linutronix.de>
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:49:10 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> User space access regions are tedious and require similar code patterns all
> over the place:
>
> if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> This got worse with the recent addition of masked user access, which
> optimizes the speculation prevention:
>
> if (can_do_masked_user_access())
> from = masked_user_read_access_begin((from));
> else if (!user_read_access_begin(from, sizeof(*from)))
> return -EFAULT;
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> user_read_access_end();
> return 0;
> Efault:
> user_read_access_end();
> return -EFAULT;
>
> There have been issues with using the wrong user_*_access_end() variant in
> the error path and other typical Copy&Pasta problems, e.g. using the wrong
> fault label in the user accessor which ends up using the wrong accesss end
> variant.
>
> These patterns beg for scopes with automatic cleanup. The resulting outcome
> is:
> scoped_user_read_access(from, Efault)
> unsafe_get_user(val, from, Efault);
> return 0;
> Efault:
> return -EFAULT;
>
> The scope guarantees the proper cleanup for the access mode is invoked both
> in the success and the failure (fault) path.
>
> The scoped_user_$MODE_access() macros are implemented as self terminating
> nested for() loops. Thanks to Andrew Cooper for pointing me at them. The
> scope can therefore be left with 'break', 'goto' and 'return'. Even
> 'continue' "works" due to the self termination mechanism.
I think that 'feature' should be marked as a 'bug', consider code like:
for (; len >= sizeof (*uaddr); uaddr++; len -= sizeof (*uaddr)) {
scoped_user_read_access(uaddr, Efault) {
int frag_len;
unsafe_get_user(frag_len, &uaddr->len, Efault);
if (!frag_len)
break;
...
}
...
}
The expectation would be that the 'break' applies to the visible 'for' loop.
But you need a 'goto' to escape from the visible loop.
Someone who groks the static checkers might want to try to detect
continue/break in those loops.
David
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-22 14:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-22 12:49 [patch V4 00/12] uaccess: Provide and use scopes for user access Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 01/12] ARM: uaccess: Implement missing __get_user_asm_dword() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 02/12] uaccess: Provide ASM GOTO safe wrappers for unsafe_*_user() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 03/12] x86/uaccess: Use unsafe wrappers for ASM GOTO Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 04/12] powerpc/uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 05/12] riscv/uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 06/12] s390/uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 15:00 ` Heiko Carstens
2025-10-22 15:00 ` Heiko Carstens
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 07/12] uaccess: Provide scoped user access regions Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 14:20 ` David Laight [this message]
2025-10-22 14:20 ` David Laight
2025-10-22 14:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 14:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 08/12] uaccess: Provide put/get_user_scoped() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 09/12] [RFC] coccinelle: misc: Add scoped_$MODE_access() checker script Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 10/12] futex: Convert to scoped user access Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 15:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22 15:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-23 18:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-23 18:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-23 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-23 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-23 21:14 ` David Laight
2025-10-23 21:14 ` David Laight
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 11/12] x86/futex: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` [patch V4 12/12] select: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 12:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-22 13:28 ` [patch V4 00/12] uaccess: Provide and use scopes for " Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 13:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
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