From: Jonathan Cameron via <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>
To: Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>, <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
<qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, <mst@redhat.com>, <anisinha@redhat.com>,
<gengdongjiu1@gmail.com>, <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
<shan.gavin@gmail.com>, James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v2 3/3] target/arm/kvm: Support multiple memory CPERs injection
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 09:02:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251105090242.00004f93@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a4960b41-dd92-408f-a5e8-620b35be212b@redhat.com>
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 10:40:10 +1000
Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan and Igor,
>
> On 11/4/25 10:21 PM, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:52:16 +0100
> > Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
>
> [...]
>
> >> My idea using per cpu source is just a speculation based on spec
> >> on how workaround the problem,
> >> I don't really know if guest OS will be able to handle it (aka,
> >> need to be tested is it's viable). That also probably was a reason
> >> in previous review, why should've waited for multiple sources
> >> support be be merged first before this series.
> >
> > Per vCPU should work fine but I do like the approach here of reporting
> > all the related errors in one go as they represent the underlying nature
> > of the error granularity tracking. If anyone ever poisons at the 1GiB level
> > on the host they are on their own - so I think that it will only ever be
> > the finest granularity supported (so worse case 64KiB).
> >
>
> Well, I don't have strong opinions, but I intend to agree with Jonathan
> to report all 16x errors at once. One reason is one as Jonathan mentioned.
> Another reason is per vCPU error source is a bit heavy for the improvement.
>
> So I'm going to improve (v2) series to address all received comments and
> post a (v3) series.
>
> I already had the prototype of error source per vcpu, which works fine for
> 64KB-host-4KB-guest. However, it doesn't work for huge pages. For example,
> a problematic 512MB huge page can cause heavy memory error storm to QEMU
> where we absolutely can't handle.
>
> 1. Start the VM with hugetlb pages
>
> /home/gavin/sandbox/qemu.main/build/qemu-system-aarch64 \
> -accel kvm -machine virt,gic-version=host,nvdimm=on,ras=on \
> -cpu host -smp maxcpus=8,cpus=8,sockets=2,clusters=2,cores=2,threads=1 \
> -m 4096M,slots=16,maxmem=128G \
> -object memory-backend-file,id=mem0,prealloc=on,mem-path=/dev/hugepages-524288kB,size=4096M \
> -numa node,nodeid=0,cpus=0-7,memdev=mem0 \
>
> 2. Run 'victim -d' on guest
>
> guest$ ./victim -d
> physical address of (0xffff889d6000) = 0x11a7da000
> Hit any key to trigger error:
>
> 3. Inject error from host
>
> host$ errinjct 0x11a7da000
>
> 4. QEMU crashes with error message "Bus error (core dumped)", which is triggered
> the following path.
>
> sigbus_handler
> kvm_on_sigbus_vcpu // have_sigbus_pending = 1
> sigbus_reraise
To me this sounds like something that should not be happening on the host unless
a real memory error is detected that blows away the whole of / most of a huge page.
I'm not sure we care about surviving that case if it isn't mapped using hugetlb/DAX or
similar in the guest (so contiguous in both with contained impact in both).
I assume the issue is backing with hugetlbfs which doesn't have a sub huge page granularity
for poison tracking. I vaguely recall an effort to solve that
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20220624173656.2033256-1-jthoughton@google.com/
was the first thing google threw me. Looks like it got to v2.
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20230218002819.1486479-1-jthoughton@google.com/
+CC James.
>
> Thanks,
> Gavin
>
>
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jonathan Cameron via <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
To: Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>, <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
<qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, <mst@redhat.com>, <anisinha@redhat.com>,
<gengdongjiu1@gmail.com>, <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
<shan.gavin@gmail.com>, James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v2 3/3] target/arm/kvm: Support multiple memory CPERs injection
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 09:02:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251105090242.00004f93@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a4960b41-dd92-408f-a5e8-620b35be212b@redhat.com>
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 10:40:10 +1000
Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan and Igor,
>
> On 11/4/25 10:21 PM, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:52:16 +0100
> > Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
>
> [...]
>
> >> My idea using per cpu source is just a speculation based on spec
> >> on how workaround the problem,
> >> I don't really know if guest OS will be able to handle it (aka,
> >> need to be tested is it's viable). That also probably was a reason
> >> in previous review, why should've waited for multiple sources
> >> support be be merged first before this series.
> >
> > Per vCPU should work fine but I do like the approach here of reporting
> > all the related errors in one go as they represent the underlying nature
> > of the error granularity tracking. If anyone ever poisons at the 1GiB level
> > on the host they are on their own - so I think that it will only ever be
> > the finest granularity supported (so worse case 64KiB).
> >
>
> Well, I don't have strong opinions, but I intend to agree with Jonathan
> to report all 16x errors at once. One reason is one as Jonathan mentioned.
> Another reason is per vCPU error source is a bit heavy for the improvement.
>
> So I'm going to improve (v2) series to address all received comments and
> post a (v3) series.
>
> I already had the prototype of error source per vcpu, which works fine for
> 64KB-host-4KB-guest. However, it doesn't work for huge pages. For example,
> a problematic 512MB huge page can cause heavy memory error storm to QEMU
> where we absolutely can't handle.
>
> 1. Start the VM with hugetlb pages
>
> /home/gavin/sandbox/qemu.main/build/qemu-system-aarch64 \
> -accel kvm -machine virt,gic-version=host,nvdimm=on,ras=on \
> -cpu host -smp maxcpus=8,cpus=8,sockets=2,clusters=2,cores=2,threads=1 \
> -m 4096M,slots=16,maxmem=128G \
> -object memory-backend-file,id=mem0,prealloc=on,mem-path=/dev/hugepages-524288kB,size=4096M \
> -numa node,nodeid=0,cpus=0-7,memdev=mem0 \
>
> 2. Run 'victim -d' on guest
>
> guest$ ./victim -d
> physical address of (0xffff889d6000) = 0x11a7da000
> Hit any key to trigger error:
>
> 3. Inject error from host
>
> host$ errinjct 0x11a7da000
>
> 4. QEMU crashes with error message "Bus error (core dumped)", which is triggered
> the following path.
>
> sigbus_handler
> kvm_on_sigbus_vcpu // have_sigbus_pending = 1
> sigbus_reraise
To me this sounds like something that should not be happening on the host unless
a real memory error is detected that blows away the whole of / most of a huge page.
I'm not sure we care about surviving that case if it isn't mapped using hugetlb/DAX or
similar in the guest (so contiguous in both with contained impact in both).
I assume the issue is backing with hugetlbfs which doesn't have a sub huge page granularity
for poison tracking. I vaguely recall an effort to solve that
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20220624173656.2033256-1-jthoughton@google.com/
was the first thing google threw me. Looks like it got to v2.
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20230218002819.1486479-1-jthoughton@google.com/
+CC James.
>
> Thanks,
> Gavin
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-05 9:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-07 6:08 [PATCH RESEND v2 0/3] target/arm/kvm: Improve memory error handling Gavin Shan
2025-10-07 6:08 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/3] acpi/ghes: Extend acpi_ghes_memory_errors() to support multiple CPERs Gavin Shan
2025-10-31 9:58 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-10-31 9:58 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-10-31 10:08 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-10-31 10:08 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-11-02 22:45 ` Gavin Shan
2025-10-31 13:17 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-11-02 22:51 ` Gavin Shan
2025-10-07 6:08 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 2/3] kvm/arm/kvm: Introduce helper push_ghes_memory_errors() Gavin Shan
2025-10-31 10:09 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-10-31 10:09 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-11-02 23:39 ` Gavin Shan
2025-11-03 9:45 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-10-31 13:25 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-11-02 23:35 ` Gavin Shan
2025-10-07 6:08 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 3/3] target/arm/kvm: Support multiple memory CPERs injection Gavin Shan
2025-10-07 10:57 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-10-08 3:57 ` Gavin Shan
2025-10-17 14:27 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-10-19 0:36 ` Gavin Shan
2025-10-31 13:55 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-11-02 23:02 ` Gavin Shan
2025-11-03 9:52 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-11-03 23:51 ` Gavin Shan
2025-11-06 7:57 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-11-06 21:43 ` Gavin Shan
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2025-11-05 0:40 ` Gavin Shan
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