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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Hans Holmberg <hans.holmberg@wdc.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] xfs: fake fallocate success for always CoW inodes
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 10:31:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251110093140.GA22674@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878qgg4sh1.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>

On Sat, Nov 08, 2025 at 01:30:18PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> main(void)
> {
>   FILE *fp = tmpfile();
>   if (fp == NULL)
>     abort();
>   int fd = fileno(fp);
>   posix_fallocate(fd, 0, 1);
>   char *p = mmap(NULL, 1, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0);
>   *p = 1;
> }
> 
> should not crash even if the file system does not support fallocate.
> I hope we can agree on that.  I expect avoiding SIGBUS errors because
> of insufficient file size is a common use case for posix_fallocate.
> This use is not really an optimization, it's required to get mmap
> working properly.

That's a weird use of posix_fallocate, but if an interface to increase
the file without the chance of reducing it is useful that's for
sure something we could add.

> If we can get an fallocate mode that we can use as a fallback to
> increase the file size with a zero flag argument, we can definitely
> use that in posix_fallocate (replacing the fallback path on kernels
> that support it).  All local file systems should be able to implement
> that (but perhaps not efficiently).  Basically, what we need here is a
> non-destructive ftruncate.

fallocate seems like an odd interface choice for that, but given that
(f)truncate doesn't have a flags argument that might still be the
least unexpected version.

> Maybe add two flags, one for the ftruncate replacement, and one that
> instructs the file system that the range will be used with mmap soon?
> I expect this could be useful information to the file system.  We
> wouldn't use it in posix_fallocate, but applications calling fallocate
> directly might.

What do you think "to be used with mmap" flag could be useful for
in the file system?  For file systems mmap I/O isn't very different
from other use cases.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-10  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-06 13:35 [RFC] xfs: fake fallocate success for always CoW inodes Hans Holmberg
2025-11-06 13:48 ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-06 13:52   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-06 14:42     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-06 14:46       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-11  8:31         ` Hans Holmberg
2025-11-11  9:05           ` hch
2025-11-11  9:50             ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-11 13:40               ` hch
2025-11-06 16:31       ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-06 17:05         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-08 12:30           ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-09 22:15             ` Dave Chinner
2025-11-10  5:27               ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10  9:38                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-10 10:03                   ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10 20:28                 ` Dave Chinner
2025-11-11  8:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-10  9:37               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-10  9:44                 ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10 21:33                 ` Dave Chinner
2025-11-11  9:04                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-11  9:30                   ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10  9:31             ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-11-10  9:48               ` truncatat? was, " Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-10 10:00                 ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10  9:49               ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-10  9:52                 ` Christoph Hellwig

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