From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, aalbersh@kernel.org,
david@fromorbit.com, tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
jaegeuk@kernel.org, chao@kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: fsverity metadata offset, was: Re: [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 08:32:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260120073218.GA6757@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260119195816.GA15583@frogsfrogsfrogs>
On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 11:58:16AM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > a) not all architectures are reasonable. As Darrick pointed out
> > > hexagon seems to support page size up to 1MiB. While I don't know
> > > if they exist in real life, powerpc supports up to 256kiB pages,
> > > and I know they are used for real in various embedded settings
>
> They *did* way back in the day, I worked with some seekrit PPC440s early
> in my career. I don't know that any of them still exist, but the code
> is still there...
Sorry, I meant I don't really know how real the hexagon large page
sizes are. I know about the ppcs one personally, too.
> > If we do need to fix this, there are a couple things we could consider
> > doing without changing the on-disk format in ext4 or f2fs: putting the
> > data in the page cache at a different offset than it exists on-disk, or
> > using "small" pages for EOF specifically.
>
> I'd leave the ondisk offset as-is, but change the pagecache offset to
> roundup(i_size_read(), mapping_max_folio_size_supported()) just to keep
> file data and fsverity metadata completely separate.
Can we find a way to do that in common code and make ext4 and f2fs do
the same?
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
aalbersh@kernel.org, Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>,
david@fromorbit.com, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
jaegeuk@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] fsverity metadata offset, was: Re: [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 08:32:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260120073218.GA6757@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260119195816.GA15583@frogsfrogsfrogs>
On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 11:58:16AM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > a) not all architectures are reasonable. As Darrick pointed out
> > > hexagon seems to support page size up to 1MiB. While I don't know
> > > if they exist in real life, powerpc supports up to 256kiB pages,
> > > and I know they are used for real in various embedded settings
>
> They *did* way back in the day, I worked with some seekrit PPC440s early
> in my career. I don't know that any of them still exist, but the code
> is still there...
Sorry, I meant I don't really know how real the hexagon large page
sizes are. I know about the ppcs one personally, too.
> > If we do need to fix this, there are a couple things we could consider
> > doing without changing the on-disk format in ext4 or f2fs: putting the
> > data in the page cache at a different offset than it exists on-disk, or
> > using "small" pages for EOF specifically.
>
> I'd leave the ondisk offset as-is, but change the pagecache offset to
> roundup(i_size_read(), mapping_max_folio_size_supported()) just to keep
> file data and fsverity metadata completely separate.
Can we find a way to do that in common code and make ext4 and f2fs do
the same?
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2026-01-12 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/22] fsverity: report validation errors back to the filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 1:29 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:27 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 17:52 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/22] fsverity: expose ensure_fsverity_info() Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 3/22] iomap: introduce IOMAP_F_BEYOND_EOF Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:18 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 22:31 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 10:39 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 8:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:50 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 17:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-16 21:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-17 2:11 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 4/22] iomap: allow iomap_file_buffered_write() take iocb without file Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:53 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 4:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 6:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14 16:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 5/22] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:35 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 11:16 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 8:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 6/22] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 7/22] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 8/22] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 9/22] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealed inode Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 8:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 11:22 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] xfs: add verity info pointer to xfs inode Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 18:02 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 6:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] xfs: introduce XFS_FSVERITY_CONSTRUCTION inode flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:42 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 11:24 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] xfs: introduce XFS_FSVERITY_REGION_START constant Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:46 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 12:23 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 18:06 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 6:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14 7:59 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] xfs: disable preallocations for fsverity Merkle tree writes Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] xfs: add writeback and iomap reading of Merkle tree pages Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 12:31 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] xfs: add fs-verity support Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 23:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 18:32 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:40 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-16 14:52 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] xfs: advertise fs-verity being available on filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] xfs: check and repair the verity inode flag state Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] xfs: report verity failures through the health system Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] xfs: add fsverity traces Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 23:07 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-13 18:45 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 5:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 6:15 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 8:20 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 9:53 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:42 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-19 6:33 ` fsverity metadata offset, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19 6:33 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19 19:32 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-19 19:32 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-01-19 19:58 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-19 19:58 ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-01-20 7:32 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-01-20 7:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-20 11:44 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-20 11:44 ` [f2fs-dev] " Andrey Albershteyn via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-01-20 17:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-20 17:34 ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-01-21 15:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-21 15:03 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19 20:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-19 20:00 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
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